marco102

Give me Miles Bridges over all of New Orleans players.

Would you want Embiid? 

Don't think we have the assets to get him though. 

3 hours ago, REHawksFan said:

To answer my own rhetorical question...

SFs Starting Game 1 of 2024 Playoffs:

• Jason Tatum
• Caleb Martin
• Kelly Oubre
• OG Anunoby
• Aaron Nesmith
• Kris Middleton
• Franz Wagner
• Maxi Strus
• Brandon Ingram
• Lou Dort
• LeBron
• Michael Porter
• Brad Beal
• Jaden McDaniels / Kyle Anderson
• Derrick Jones
• Paul George

How many of these guys would Hunter start over?  4? 5?  It's not a lot. 

And Centers:

• Portzingus
• Bam Adebayo
• Embiid
• I. Hartenstein
• Miles Turner
• B. Lopez
• Paulo Banchero
• Jarod Allen
• Jones V.
• Chet
• AD
• Joker
• NUrkic
• Gobert
• Gafford
• Zubac

How many would Clint start over?  I can make an argument that Clint would only start over Gafford.  Maybe?  The point is, if we want to improve the Hawks, we HAVE to upgrade the roster.  Hunter and Clint are fine off the bench, but they are no longer starters, imo.  

To answer your question, I said in another thread I like the BI and Daniels for DJM plus salary trade.  That would solve the 3 issue.  For Center, I'm not sure. It would be best through the draft if there was a player that was a sure thing, but since there's not, it would need to be through trade.  Maybe we start OO but he hasn't proven to be healthy consistently.  So I'm not clear on that one yet.  But I'm pretty confident that I don't want to run it back with Clint starting.  

Thanks for the detailed response. I just think you are getting to hung up on "starting". Starters don't necessarily play the most or closing minutes. You need Clint's rebounding against those centers you listed. 

My front court options are Miles Bridges , Jalen Johnson, J. Isaac, Clint Capela, De'Andre Hunter, Onyeka Okongwu, Mo Gueye, Kel'el Ware, and Vit. You can start whoever you want from that group at SF, PF, C.  J. Isaac actually helps with point of attack defense and overall defense which is why I want him.

I'm turning sour towards Ingram because he's going to be on a max contract and his production ain't that. I thought his defense had improved but I watched him the other night and was disappointed. 

7 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Wait.. @marco102 did you say DJ for Isaac and a protected 1st? That ain’t you. It wasn’t you. You’re going against your own scouting report here as far as trade ideas. 
 

Blink twice if your account has be hacked. 
 

There are like 27 dogs amongst 450 players. I want like 2 on this team. 
 

I can’t describe what a dog is.. example.

Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart are dogs. I don’t remember the last time we had one.

 

ps Trae is of the 27 aforementioned dogs.

 

Yup, I'm essentially replacing DJ with Miles Bridges and Isaac.

You don't have to get caught up on the protected first, if you think the magic will give us three firsts for DJ then think of it that way. I'm more looking at the players not the picks.

5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

For me, I'll roll with the BI and Daniels for Murray and OO deal. 

Trade Garrison Matthews and AJ

Resign Bey and Vit

Sign Delon Wright

Draft Edey

Trae/Delon/Forrest

Bogi/Daniels or Kobe

BI/Hunter/Vit

JJ/Gueye/Bey(IR)

Edey or Capela/Bruno

I want Delon back in Atlanta. Man, we need him back. 

I mean, I like this in theory, but I just don't believe the New Orleans trade will happen.

Also, we may be in that 2nd apron tax penalty with the new CBA with this roster.

I think you'd have to trade away, Capela, Bogi or Hunter not to be and get back much less salary.

6 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

There is no player more defensively versatile with everything than Issac. Can guard 1-4 but also is a POA defender, can play off the ball, on the ball, covers ground exceptionally well, etc. Don't want him anywhere near the 5 position. I think Murray way too much for this type of deal. I would be more interested if this was for OO. Orlando's picks aren't that good either. 

I just want some defense on this team. @kg01 agrees with not giving up Murray for peanuts on this deal.

See below for my hypothetical lineup.

6 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

They do but that price tag for Issac? IDK if I can rock with that, personally speaking. 

How are you envisioning the team with Issac? 

3 hours ago, marco102 said:

I've thought about how to fix the Hawks.  This may not turn them into a championship contender, but it should get them out of the playin and once we are there maybe we can attract that second star. 

1.  Trade Murray to Orlando for Johnathan Issac and a protected first round pick (s), let's say top 10 or15 protected. This adds some much needed defensive versatility to the front court and Orlando desperately needs good point guard play to help that roster.

2.  Sign Miles Bridges - He won't be going at the top tier free agency price and he's been cleared of his latest charges.  He solves a lot of problems we have.  He's a decent defender, great rebounder, can get his own shot and can play the 2, 3, or 4. 

3.  Sign Delon Wright - Helps with some point of attack defense which is much needed. 

4. Draft a center - My preference is Ware, but whoever you prefer. 

5. I wouldn't re-sign Bay. I like him, but with Issac and Bridges he won't be needed. 

Rest of the roster remains the same. 

1. PG - Trae Young

1.5. Combo Guards - Delon Wright, Kobe Bufkin (both on bench)

2. SG - Miles Bridges, Bogi and AJ - These can play 2 or 3 so we aren't short on SF.

3 SF - De'Andre Hunter, Vit

4. PF - Jalen Johnson, Johnathan Issac, Mo Gueye

5. C - Clint Capela, OO, Kel'el Ware

This roster isn't in cap hell either, so you can move pieces to improve under the new CBA if the results aren't there.

 

14 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

How do you plan on getting Issac or Bridges? Bridges is a FA and is expected to get paid. Orlando isn't shopping Issac. 

You know more about the rumor mill than me.  I thought his value would be down.  You could bring him in the JC trade exception with a sign and trade or mid level exception. 

Trade Murray to the Magic for Issac and picks.  This playoff run shows they need better point guard play.

4 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

POA defense is always a problem, but the biggest problem this year was the C position, imo. 

I'm just not bringing back Clint or Hinter to start. I'm fine with both off the bench, but starting is a no go.

How many teams in the playoffs would either start for?  Not many I'd imagine. 

I mean, I brought in Jonathan Issac, Bridges, and Kel'el Ware.  I'm not starting Ware. If you want to start OO, start him. If you want to start Issac at Center start him. We can start Clint he doesn't have to play the most minutes at Center.

Who are you realistically getting to start for Hunter and Capela?  Also, explain how you are acquiring them.

Just now, NBASupes said:

@AHF, I can't with this dude. It doesn't even try. 

I am just going to block him again. 

You fought a good fight Supes. 

5 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Yeah man.  Any health from him is tenuous at best until proven otherwise.  Murray carries more value than that.  Your deal smells like a salary dump, honestly.  

Nope. I probably just value Issac more than you.  If you are focused on the picks, just imagine getting three first round picks. Like I said I was trying to be realistic as far as what the Hawks have been getting. 

What's another realistic way to improve the team? Keep Murray? Run it back again? 

4 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

Starting Hunter and CC is a hard pass for me. I'm intrigued by Miles but you aren't doing anything to fix the biggest weakness from this year. 

Keep Hunter, but off the bench. Let CC go or come off the bench.

The biggest problem this year was point of attack defense.  Hence the adding of Delon Wright.  Also, having two point guards on the floor has hurt us because we don't have enough size on the perimeter.  Bogi playing with Trae or Murray improved the defense. 

Just now, REHawksFan said:

So are you starting:

Trae

Bogie

Miles

JJ

CC?

I still think we need to upgrade from Clint 

I'd start.

Trae

Miles

Hunter

JJ

CC

It gives us the size we need on the court with Trae.  I don't think Clint is going anywhere.  The last month of the season he played really well. 

This saves Bogi during the regular season. You can spot start Bogi and move Bridges to the three if you want.

I just don't believe we are going to make wholesale changes this year.  To me, this is a semi realistic rebuild. 

5 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

I can't go into next year with Hunter and Vit as the primary sf on the roster. Gotta upgrade there. I like Vit a lot, but I'm not starting him off the jump. And Hunter starting is a no go for me. 

They won't be. Miles can play 2, 3 or 4 and you have Bogi, AJ, Kobe and Wright who can play the 2.

3 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Has to be the right 'valued' player(s) though.

He's giving you this and my hypothetical he's undervalued

So if he wants 4 years $60 to $70 million, I'd do it.

21 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I was just checking the expiration date on the JC TPE ti make sure it would still be available during FAcy. Looks like it expires July 8th. So yes, we can use a portion of the JC TPE in a SnT. The only difficulty is the Hornets will look for compensation to facilitate the deal and since we can't since him out right it'll have to be negotiated. Do we really want to give up a pick, which we don't have many of?

Hornets are interested in resigning him and he's also linked to the Pistons who have a ton of capspace.

Yes..lol

We need players not picks and generally the comp with a sign and trade isn't that much.  

I'll also add that I don't think he's getting top tear money just because of the reputation, but all it takes is one team to pay him what he's actually worth. 

If Charollette wants him back it's a mute point. I read that they wanted the relationship to end.

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Goimg off memory and quick calculations  - We'd still be over the $141 salary cap. So we'd still have ZERO space under the cap to sign a free agent. We'd only have exceptions.

Thanks.  Could you do a sign and trade with JC's exception? 

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

Yeah @marco102 why you tryna give our stuff away for tha cheap?  Isaac is a distressed asset.  Better add some mo' stuff. 

Is he though? That defense is game changing and we need it.  I'd love to get two or three unprotected firsts in my trade, but trying to be realistic.  You don't always get what you want, but we are def improved.

11 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Seems low: an oft injured guy who is limited to roughly 15mpg and I definitely don't like the protections on that pick. I'd also take Anthony Black.

Just being realistic about returns. I'd love more, but that's like my minimum outcome.

11 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

He may have a lot of suitors though. Hawks will only have the $12 mil MLE to sign a FA. So fitting in him an Delon might be tough.

 

I thought when we traded Murray that freed up an extra $8 million.   Who else are the suitors for Bridges? If need be we can move other pieces to fit him in.  I just thought he'd be more realistic than Ingram. To me, they are about the same level of player.

I've thought about how to fix the Hawks.  This may not turn them into a championship contender, but it should get them out of the playin and once we are there maybe we can attract that second star. 

1.  Trade Murray to Orlando for Johnathan Issac and a protected first round pick, let's say top 15 protected. This adds some much needed defensive versatility to the front court and Orlando desperately needs good point guard play to help that roster.

2.  Sign Miles Bridges - He won't be going at the top tier free agency price and he's been cleared of his latest charges.  He solves a lot of problems we have.  He's a decent defender, great rebounder, can get his own shot and can play the 2, 3, or 4. 

3.  Sign Delon Wright - Helps with some point of attack defense which is much needed. 

4. Draft a center - My preference is Ware, but whoever you prefer. 

5. I wouldn't re-sign Bay. I like him, but with Issac and Bridges he won't be needed. 

Rest of the roster remains the same. 

1. PG - Trae Young

1.5. Combo Guards - Delon Wright, Kobe Bufkin (both on bench)

2. SG - Miles Bridges, Bogi and AJ - These can play 2 or 3 so we aren't short on SF.

3 SF - De'Andre Hunter, Vit

4. PF - Jalen Johnson, Johnathan Issac, Mo Gueye

5. C - Clint Capela, OO, Kel'el Ware

This roster isn't in cap hell either, so you can move pieces to improve under the new CBA if the results aren't there.

15 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here’s where the experts have Ware going:

• Ricky O’Donnell - SB Nation: (11th overall, Chicago Bulls)
• Tankathon: (21st overall, New Orleans Pelicans)
• Fox Sports: (21st overall, New Orleans Pelicans)
• The Ringer: (19th overall, Atlanta Hawks)
• Sports Illustrated NBA Draft: (26th overall, Washington Wizards)
• Bleacher Report: (18th overall, Atlanta Hawks)
• NBADraft.net: (21st overall, Cleveland Cavaliers)
• CBSSports: (second round)

Most have Ware going past the halfway point of the first round, with CBSSports having him fall out of the top-30 entirely.

Yeah, but these rankings don't matter unless they prove whatever point I'm trying to make.  Just the specific sites who agree with my ranking of Ware who I believe is top 10 worthy.

16 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

 

You aren't going to convince me that he's not a perennial MVP candidate with the Hawks long-term and you aren't going to be able to convince me that he won't be the unanimous ROY if he ends up here. That's just not gonna happen. 

 

I won't try to convince you of that sir.   Just let the chips fall where they may. 

I'll root for anyone the Hawks draft and won't be mad with Eddy.  The difference is, if the Hawks choose Ware, you'll be angry.

Whoever they draft I'll root for them to be the MVP one day because that means we will be winning a lot and maybe making deep runs in the playoffs.

32 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Really hope we draft this guy to extend this debate another 4 years

lol I don't.  

Eddy most likely won't be an MVP and I don't think Eddy will be a complete bust.  Leave it at that. 

My preference is not for Eddy because I like another prospect more.  But the speaking in absolutes on both sides is wild.  If you know the future, given me the next billion lotto numbers and I'll split it 50/50 with you.

46 minutes ago, AHF said:

One of the challenges with this draft is going to be the wide, wide range where people are projected.  Ware seems to be a late first in most projections but with some rumblings about moving higher.  Our only pick is #10.  How do we maximize value in a draft where someone could go #10 or #30?  How far are you comfortable trading down if you are targeting someone like Ware?  Will there be much appetite for teams to trade up in a draft like this where the guy you want might fall?  

I think some guys have significantly tighter ranges where that is less of an issue especially for some of the guards and wings like Castle, Holland, Cody Williams, etc.  None of those guys are dropping very far or going at the top of the draft.

I think Ware will move up in the mock drafts, but for me, the Hawks need a two way big (center) with size and length.  Ware seems the only player to fit that mold. I'm more for drafting for need and upside this draft since we don't control our own pick going forward.  

After workouts, if the team sees him as a fit take him at 10 and call it a day.  This draft has a ton of variance so someone drafted at 30 could turn out to be the best player in it. 

56 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Trae caught a stray

 

I don't know if this is a stray. It could be, but they really don't give Trae shooting fouls or continuation on anything unlike a lot of other players. 

It is easy to explain. This isn't all Traes fault, but the Hawks have to get out the play-in. When teams win the media wouldn't dare put him in the list or other players.