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1 minute ago, terrell said:

Yall care about efficiency now?

Well it was only one of several things I mentioned, but sure, make it about that. 

2 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

I don't think he has been inefficient overall.  I think he's shooting as much as he is because we are severely short handed.  He's logging a lot of minutes (too many sometimes) and has/had a sore back.  Like Trae he has his own set of flaws and a different skillset from Trae...and that's OK.

 

 

Maybe he's forcing things without Trae. And I'd understand that. But then that begs the question, why would folks think we'd be better off without Trae if this is the Murray we get? 

4 minutes ago, terrell said:

Inefficiency?

He's shooting 46% FG

36% from 3.. 

 

 

Without Trae he's avg 26 pts on 22 shots. Not exactly efficient. 

Just now, benhillboy said:

I love it.  Bogi is smart enough to challenge him.

Great team win tho.  I always enjoyed the team energy without Trae, most notably road blowouts a few years ago against healthy Grizzlies and Nuggets squads.  It’s always been obvious they play with a chip when he sits.  The all time winning percentage without him has finally crept above the winning clip with him (.454 to .452). 

Which of course has little to do with Trae but I don't expect you to admit that. LOL

1 minute ago, Nash said:

DJM 17pts on 17 shots and Bogi 20 pts on 7 shots.  I don't know if Quin is forcing Murray to shoot regardless of his efficiency or he shoots just because he can lol

His inefficiency, poor handles, and avg passing is why it's insane fir certain folks to claim DJ is the better option of the 2. Absolutely freaking insane. 

He can be a really good scorer and he's capable as a ball handler,  but being capable is not the same as being elite. Trae is elite. 

1 minute ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

It's simple - defend at the level of the screen and then hustles back to the paint.  It also requires his teammates to hedge the roller giving him time to get back.  Timing and understanding of roles.

Well he does it a lot more aggressively than OO or Clint do. It's noticeable with Bruno.

1 minute ago, hylndr11 said:

bruno all over the place holding up at the perimeter affecting passing before dropping back, hes moving well and with purpose it is effecting the bulls

Noticed him doing that the last several games. He overplays the ball at the top and then rushes back to the lane. Seems to keep the offe se from getting going. 

Not a ton of passing when DJ is running the show. Same for Hunter. 

JJ makes a huge difference for this team. His length amd ball handling is very helpful. 

And Vit, what can you say? If they keep leaving him open he gotta keep making them pay. 

Also loving what Bruno has become. His energy and toughness is something we sorely need. 

Ooh....and Kobe with the pesky hands is fun to see as well. 

2 hours ago, AHF said:

His ft% is the biggest reason to have some optimism there.  A lot of bigs aren’t allowed to shoot jumpers in college because the coach wants them shooting inside.  We’ve got video of him draining practice jumpers but that doesn’t mean nearly as much to me as free throws shot in a game.  Defensive issues are a bigger concern for me than the potential to extend his range.

The FT% was my only point here.  I haven't seen clips of him shooting 3s or anything.  But I have read that Painter won't let him shoot 3s in games, which makes some sense.  I just don't get the argument that if a 5 hasn't shot 3s in college then it must mean he CAN'T shoot 3s in the NBA.  We just have plenty of examples that say otherwise.  

And his FT stroke looks good to me.  Seems natural with a nice arc on it which makes me think it can translate to longer shots (although I'm no shooting coach).  

3 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

How? How do we know the sky isn’t red? We see it.   That’s how playa!  

Sorry Spud but that's BS. You would have said the same about Brook Lopez, AL Horford, OO, JC, KAT, etc...

None of them showed you anything in college and all have proven - to one degree or another - to be capable 3pt threats in the NBA.

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Here we go!

 

 

What's Trae's timeline? It's been 4 weeks right?

1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

 You're grading on the very low end of the curve if you're giving Quin an A.  

That means that no matter what this team did, he was going to get the benefit of the doubt and get a high grade for "player development."  That's what we said LP's role was.  Quin was brought here to win, and not be a player development coach.

Quin could've already elevated OO to the starting center spot over Clint. He also could've played him more minutes at the 4 beside Capela, to shore up our rebounding issues and expand OOs game even more.  But he didnt.

Instead, he's opted to play small ball and emphasize spacing, with a team that isn't tough and not a high shooting 3 point percentage team.

He consistently played Bey out of position and gave him the green light to shoot, despite brick after brick being shot by him.

We gave minutes to Trent Forest instead of letting Bufkin get spot minutes with the big team.

We've seen AJ go from a promising piece of the future last season ( under Nate ), to a guy who can barely hit the floor under Quin.

Bruno, until everyone got hurt, was locked onto the bench, even when we lost Jalen in December. The one guy that could bring some energy and toughness to the frontline, wasn't even thought about until damn near the entire frontline got hurt.

Defensively, this team was a sham, in part to Quin's player rotations and defensive philosophy.

At best, Snyder gets a C+ for his coaching this season.

It would've just been a solid C, if not for our defensive minded role players and the stellar play of DJ, keeping the team afloat in March.

I think your argument against him is pretty biased. 

So you think player development was supposed to stop after LP? What about JJ? What about the other young guys who have developed? 

The record sux and the defense sucked all year. But I'd remind you that it wasn't til this past summer that Quin put in any of his own offense or schemes. 

And I'd also remind you that we started the year with 8 legit NBA players along with Kobe and AJ. AJ has been out all year for personal reasons. And Kobe is a rookie. 

Of the 8 legit NBA players, they all been healthy together for something like 15 games all season. 

Roster construction and injuries are why the record sux. Not coaching 

There's always going to be arguments against any coach's rotations and stuff. That's a personal preference thing. But all considered, Quin has been solid in year 1. 

I'd give him a solid B. 

3 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Soon to be Atlanta Hawks legend

 

If he actually goes in the lottery, he may not be on the board when the Hawks pick. I'm expecting Hawks to be in the playoffs.

And then he does that. LOL

Edey doesn't get foul calls because he's generally not contesting anything. At least not aggressively. 

Yall may not like it but tenn hacks him everytime he touches it. 

9 minutes ago, KB21 said:

All were better athletes who have better mechanics.  

I get that's your opinion but the facts are facts. There are plenty of examples of bigs that never shot the 3 in college that develop a shot in the NBA. And FT shooting is a pretty good indicator of that potential.

I know you don't like him and that's fine. I'm just saying you don't know that he can't shoot from range. All we know for sure is he hasn't. 

BTW. ...

OO was 1-4 on 3pt in college

Brook Lopez was 3-21

John Collins was 0-1

Horford was 0-4

KAT was 2-8

There's plenty of guys that don't shoot 3s in college that develop a shot in the league. 

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

Without a jumper or some kind of outside shot, Edey is Wiseman

Doesn't or can't?  

He's a 71% FT shooter. How do we know he can't shoot from range?  

Well they play with heart and never give up. I'll give em that. But they are drastically undermanned.

Dre and that weak handle. 

Bucks go on a run. 

Just now, NBASupes said:

Did Bruno just put the team on his back?

He's got a little Portis in him for sure. Emotional toughness

Had plenty of opportunities to cut into the lead more but just couldn't make the simple plays around the basket. 

And the Bruno foul was a killer. 

Dre been playing his ass off for a while now. But his handles man.....

Not gonna lie, I hold my breath every time he drives.