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44 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

John can't be unstoppable in the paint if Len and his man is in ther clogging it up.

Trae can't get in the paint if both Collin's and Len's defenders are in the paint.

BINGO.   That's my fear.......that last year's 36% on 2.5 a/g was an aberration or just a fluke and has a double or triple impact on this year's team - making Len, JC, and maybe even Trae less productive (although I don't really worry much about Trae).  

14 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Is anyone worried about John Collins?

I wouldn't say 'worried' is the right word. Maybe, "mildly concerned".  And it's not that I think JC is going to regress, it's more that I'm just not sure I see how he's going to flourish without a 5 that can stretch the floor and provide spacing.  I'm more concerned about how Len / Jones / Fernando will impact JC than anything else. I thought Len could step in and duplicate what Dedmon did last year but he's been garbage so far for spacing. 

Len is straight trash. What happened to the guy that could at least threaten from outside? 

43 Wins

1 - Playoff Result - 7 Seed / 1st Round Exit

2 - All-Stars - Collins only / Trae gets snubbed which will spark him to ball out post ASG

3 - All-Rookie - Hunter

4 - Leading Scorer - Trae

5 - Least Total Minutes Played Among the Top 10 In Total Minutes - Bruno

2 hours ago, Peoriabird said:

How many points per game will each player average?  Here are my projections

 

    Player                                  PPG                                  APG                                   RPG

1. Trae Young                                         21                                                             10                                                             4.5

2. John Collins                                       22                                                              2.5                                                          10.5

3. Kevin Huerter                                    13                                                               3.5                                                           3

4. DeAndre Hunter                                 11                                                               2                                                             4.5

5. Alex Len                                             14                                                               2                                                              7.5

6. Cam Reddish                                      7                                                                1.5                                                            3.5

7. Jabari Parker                                      16                                                               2                                                               6

8. Allen Crabbe                                       6                                                                1.2                                                             2

9. Deandre Bembry                                 5                                                                 2                                                               3.5

10 Evan Turner                                       7                                                                  5                                                               3

11. Damien Jones                                  2                                                                  .3                                                              2

12 Bruno Fernando                                3                                                                  .2                                                              1

 

The total numbers add up to be way above the league averages but since every player won't play every game, then won't represent what the team will average every game.

 

I'll play......

  Player                                  PPG                                  APG                                   RPG

1. Trae Young                                         23                                                             10.5                                                         4.5

2. John Collins                                       22                                                              2.5                                                          10.5

3. Kevin Huerter                                    16                                                               4.5                                                           5

4. DeAndre Hunter                                  8                                                               3                                                             6

5. Alex Len                                             14.5                                                             2                                                            7.5

6. Cam Reddish                                      9.5                                                            3.5                                                            4.5

7. Jabari Parker                                      17                                                               3                                                               8.5

8. Allen Crabbe                                       8                                                                1.2                                                             2

9. Deandre Bembry                                 4                                                                 2                                                               3.5

10 Evan Turner                                       3.5                                                               5                                                               3

11. Damien Jones                                  2                                                                  .3                                                              2.5

12 Bruno Fernando                                5.5                                                              .2                                                              3.5

16 hours ago, AHF said:

Thecampster has a point.  The team was willing to risk losing Cam.  Flat out.  8 chances another team could take him.  We gambled and won, which was glorious, but I don’t think we would have done that if we viewed him as better than Hunter.  We could have given another asset and kept the 8th pick or traded up to ensure we got him but were ok just hoping he lasted for us.  I am pretty sure Washington will regret passing on him for Rui for a long time.

Counterpoint...

Travis has mentioned on multiple occasions that they go to work figuring out who other teams will be taking with their picks. It's entirely plausible, to me at least, that they had a pretty great idea Cam would be around at 10 (no guarantee of course but they trusted their research and it paid off). 

Also, it's a fair point that all the mocks had Cam not lasting past 8 but the reason for that was because all the mocks had ATL drafting 8. None of us have any reliable info saying any team 5-9 had a plan to take Cam prior to the draft.

There was no scuttlebutt of any team jumping over ATL at 8 to get Cam. 

47 minutes ago, Eddielives said:

While you're right that games need to be played to have real NBA data, I don't think it's bashing the Hawks or propping the Pelicans up to say they have a better team.  They still have Jrue Holiday too if I'm not mistaken.  Let's just give our Hawks some time and they may prove to be better.  But for now, that New Orleans team has just got more talent.

Well the question was which team has the best young talent. Not which is the best team. Regardless, I'd take issue with you saying NO has more talent when the majority of that talent has yet to play one minute in the NBA. 

1 hour ago, High5 said:

He'll hit 10+ assists in year 3 or 4, but I don't think he will next season.

If he increases his PT to 35 min a game he could pretty easily hit 10 a game with just a little progression. 

Heck, he could have had 10 last year if some of his teammates helped him out on wide open jumpers. 

Better shooting team. Better Trae. More assists imo.

Meh.....

NO needs to prove something first. Their ranking is on the merit of a "sure thing" in Zion but he hasn't done anything yet.

Same thing for Dallas. They have 2 guys and the rest of their roster is meh. I'm not convinced Luka is any better than Trae but he gets more hype obviously. 

I also dont think Boston should be ahead of a team like Memphis.

11 minutes ago, sturt said:

Don't get me started, unless you really wanna to get me started.

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Funny that you say that since the per 36 numbers combined with shooting %s are intended to focus on how efficient a player is as opposed to their sheer volume of stats.

Was thinking the same thing. IF he increases his efficiency while also playing closer to 35 min/ gm, his overall stats will skyrocket (unless of course he significantly reduces his attempts which I don't see happening). 

24 minutes ago, High5 said:

No one in the history of the league has averaged 24/13. 

To be fair....no rookie in the history of the league has averaged 22+ pts / 9+ ast per 36 minutes. But that's exactly what Trae did last year so it's not out of the realm to think he improves on that. 

In fact, a 22/9 per 36 season has only happened 12 other times in the history of the NBA. 

Actually, I think the thought process is:

Len (now) = Dedmon

Bruno (future) > Len

Jones > Plumlee

Parker > Spellman

Crabbe > Baze

Turner = Lin

Hunter (future) > Prince

6 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

I'll put it this way then

Turner>Dunn

Turner has nothing to do with Dunn. No one suggested Dunn should be traded to Atlanta. 

55 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

That's not taking into account their growth and play in the 2nd half of last season. That's why I keep saying, people projecting us is lower than the reality

Yep. Since January 1 (last 45 games of season), Trae avg 24.6 pts / 9.6 ast per 36 min.  

48 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Trae goals are simple. Him and John want to be All Stars. VC showed them there is levels to this shit. That's why I keep saying 44 wins is my min for this team. 50-53 is likely their max.

Man I would LOVE it if they were both all stars. I truly hope you are correct. IF they are, I can see the 50 win total, but right now, I'm a bit more conservative.  Thinking 43-45 wins and fighting for the 7/8 seed.  

50 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

I still expect Cam to be the starter at the 3. Just a better overall fit with the starters and the best talent overall. Hunter fits with all roster pairings which makes him special but Cam fits best with the crew and his transition is just much smaller than De'Andre due to just the system change.

So are you saying Hunter comes off the bench? Or are you starting Cam at 2 and Huerter off the bench?  OR....are you bringing Len off the bench and starting Collins at the 5?  

3 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Kawhi and Embiid to Atlanta in '21.

Book it.  I'll stake my avatar on it.

 

16 minutes ago, gurpilo said:

We can argue about his potential but I am a little disapointed with Bruno's performance at summer league, clearly is not ready, foul prone, lapses on defense, is not involved on offense and is not rebounding well. Shot blocking is what I could see as his strength right now. Long way to go for Bruno. Reason I am disapointed is because I was expecting a more ready prospect, the beginning is not encouraging....

I hear ya, but I refuse to get disappointed or excited about any prospect in SL. It's just hard to tell much in a guy's first stint when he's surrounded by guys that won't sniff the NBA.  I'm also reminded at how bad Trae looked last year at the start of SL and he damn near won ROY. All that to say, we won't REALLY know what we have in Bruno until he's playing along side other NBA players. 

4 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

Unless we make a trade or pick up another free agent, he’s probably our opening night starting center.