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I'm not excited about it for sure but I also don't get the vitriol for it. We're talking about a back up 4 that will play 20-25 min and can put up 15 pts / 7 reb on a short term, affordable deal.  

I guess my question is......is he better than Parsons or Spellman because that's who was penciled in as JC's backup an hour ago.  

10 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Or Crabbe + Turner = Adams

I actually like that one better.   OKC would do it ( if they're ready to blow it up ) because they'd get 25 mill off the payroll at the end of the season.

Crabbe + Turner doesn't work as the Hawks would be sending $37M out and taking in only $25M. 

Could be either Crabbe OR Turner alone or either Crabbe OR Turner + another smaller contract like Spellman or Bembry

4 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Prediction:

I'll say that we're using Jabari as a filler to flip for someone else.

My guess is this guy, if OKC is about to blow it up.

 

 

Turner + Jabari = Adams

Can they sign Jabari and immediately trade him?  Thought they had to wait for a while before the trade?  

I could see Crabbe for Adams or

Crabbe + Spellman = Adams.

Just now, Spud2nique said:

Show off! Honestly..2 years at 13 is pretty great. Super inexpensive, plus it makes @jy23 happy !!! Got ur Dukie!

I was just typin..... @marco102 is all up in here rubbin it in our face.   

Just now, Peoriabird said:

OMG!  WTF?

Help a brotha out....is that a good WTF or a bad WTF??  

Just now, Spud2nique said:

we pushed it same time. Mine on another thread 🧵 it

I don't know how to do a twitter link to this board or I'd link it. 

Hawks sign Jabari Parker

24 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Hawks are winning 44 games at the least and 50 games is what I expect this upcoming season

Love it. 

I just think it really hinges on the growth of Trae/Huerter/Collins and how NBA-ready Hunter/Reddish/Bruno are. The rest (backup PG, bench production, vet leadership, etc...) will take care of itself, imo. 

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Check this thread....

 

Thought for sure I was going to click that link and see I was the first one to respond. Would have felt really dumb.  

Thanks I had forgotten it had already been discussed.  

How would y'all feel about Steven Adams with his huge contract for two more years?

$25.8M this year

$27.5M next year

Any takers?    

1 hour ago, AHF said:

I think this is a clear signal that Schlen views this season as still building the foundation for the future and not the first year of trying to contend.  So that makes sense.  Someone with cap space will likely extract significant value and Schlenk aims to be that team.  

Adjust your expectations accordingly.

Don't disagree entirely, but would add that, to me, there's a difference in "not the first year of trying to contend" and "trying not to make the playoffs." 

It may be subtle, but I think it's distinct. The natural progression of the young players could absolutely be in the playoff chase, imo, without Schlenk doing anything to "help" them out in FA.  However, I think (and certainly hope) we are past the "load management in order to stay in the lottery" phase of the rebuild.  If the guys progress but don't quite make the playoffs and that results in a lottery bid, then fine.  But I hope we are past the front office steering toward the lottery.  

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

1st of all, the teams you are comparing won 29 games!  Secondly, you are not factoring in the bench.  Last year's bench was much better with guys like Bazemore, Lin, Len and Carter.  Thirdly, we don't know what we will get out of our rookie players.  Hunter may not be ready to start right away so there are too many questions with this to assume they will be competitive. And fourthly, we are dangerously thin up front and 1 key injury would be devastating.

I'm honestly not sure if you even read my post as I addressed nearly everything you are cited in the post. 

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

This is a very good thought line you have going here.  I think maybe the one aspect you aren't looking at is that we got taller/longer.  We were a disaster defensively last year.  Had we given up 5 less points a game we would have been .500.  Len starting is a hair longer/taller than Dedmon....Hunter is slightly taller/longer than Prince...Cam is definitely taller/longer than Baze. Evan Turner is much bigger than Lin/Adams.  Remember that Lin wasn't even on the roster for our best stretch of the season.  Turner is replacing Adams for that stretch and regardless of your feelings on Turner, he is a mile better, bigger than Adams. Parsons and Crabbe are also bigger/longer than anyone else we had at those spots.

 

One of the reasons veteran teams beat younger teams more often than not is physical size, weight and use of energy. We blew so much energy because we were small last year.  We are so much bigger it will show on defense, even if our offense is a bit slower. 

Yeah, I wasn't really sure how to capture the defensive end so this is more a look at replacing the offense that has been lost.  I'm optimistic about replacing Dedmon (with Len), Prince (with Hunter), Baze (Crabbe/Reddish), and Lin (Turner) but am a bit skeptical about replacing Len and Carter's production. And again, just one side of the ball so doesn't tell the whole story for sure. 

With the way the East is shaping up, the playoffs are still obtainable, imo. The key is the development of the young core though.  How much growth will we see in the 2nd year players. Will Trae and Kev continue to improve? Will the combo of Trae and JC continue to improve? How ready are Hunter, Cam, and Bruno for major responsibility? Can they contribute early on? All those are reasonable questions that likely need to go in the Hawks favor to have any shot at the playoffs, imo.

Also, just looking at this with some comparisons in mind (these may not be perfect but how I sort them out in my mind):

Taurean Prince (13.5 pts / 3.6 reb / 2.1 ast) replaced by DeAndre Hunter

Dedmon (10.8 pts / 7.5 reb / 1.4 ast) replaced by Alex Len (11.1 pts / 5.5 reb / 1.1 ast)

Alex Len (11.1 pts / 5.5 reb / 1.1 ast) replaced by Bruno Fernando

Baze (11.6 pts / 3.9 reb / 2.3 ast) replaced by Allen Crabbe (9.6 pts / 3.4 reb / 1.1 ast) and Cam Reddish

Jeremy Lin (10.7 pts / 2.3 reb / 3.5 ast) replaced by Evan Turner (6.8 pts / 4.5 reb / 3.9 ast)

Vince Carter (7.4 pts / 2.4 reb / 1.1 ast) replaced by Chandler Parsons (7.5 pts / 2.8 reb / 1.7 ast)

So the question is can the young guys get better AND can Hunter replace the production of Prince, Bruno replace Len's production, and the combo of Crabbe / Reddish replace Baze?  

Personally, I'll feel better if they resign VC or someone more reliable than Parsons.  I'm also a bit wary of Bruno filling Len's shoes in year one. I'm bullish on his future, but not sure how much is reasonable to expect for a rookie.  

Is Zaza still available?

What about Amir Johnson or Pau Gasol? 

Just some ideas on old guys for depth purposes. I like Zaza. 

10 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

@marco102 has been on fire lately. I had no idea about Hunter’s reps calling the Hawks. Awesome. Adding a center that would have commanded a lot more but now sitting on wire we get him cheaper huh? Who is it? But we want to carry most of the $14 mill to the trade deadline? So we gonna pay this center with peanuts ?  

Ole Travis may not quite be at the Dollar General yet but he's damn sure strolling through Five Below to find his man. I think it's safe to assume - based on LPs comments and common sense - that the young guys on the current team will be the features. Looking for depth and locker room guys now imo. VC would be perfect if he's ok with the load being light.

I don't get the Jaylen Adams fascination at all. What does he do at an NBA level? 

Just now, bleachkit said:

You don't hate them if you're team is trading the pick.

Hou right about that. But I have more experience receiving picks than giving them lately. LOL

1 minute ago, AHF said:

Both upside and downside down the line.  Lots of unknown.  On the whole, less likely to convey since teams can deliberately manipulate their record to keep their pick.

Obviously if the trade is next years pick you at least ha e a pretty good idea what the team will look like. No guarantees but you can feel somewhat confident short term. Long term trades, like you said, just give teams time to manipulate or just fir time to run its course a la okc.

Dang. So unfortunate.  I still hate protections but I guess they are necessary to get deals done. The further in the future they are the less likely they seen to convey in the best manner possible. Or so it seems. 

9 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

From what I've read, the teams involved all have to agree to the delay.

The question is why would ANY agree to help the Lakers acquire a 3rd star through free agency? That acquisition has NOTHING to do with any of the trades.

Not only that, but to delay is or at least could be a detriment to their own clubs. Makes no sense.

6 minutes ago, sturt said:

 

 

 

Well again, I'm neither trying to change your opinion nor asking a question to change mine. I simply stated an observation about you and your interactions on the board. Do with it whatever you want.

29 minutes ago, sturt said:

At the risk of parsing words and offending, "disingenuous" normally is associated with intent... so that's why I ask.

So, to the contrary, if that's accurate then it seems you do "pretend to know (my) intent."

What am I missing in that assessment?

And. Ironically enough, I'm asking that question, yes, but it's also true there might not be any other way you can construe it to convince me otherwise... but it's at least worth asking the question even though there's no apparent way for it to be taken.

So.

If the accusation is that I'm opinionated, guilty as charged.

If the accusation is that I enjoy comparing notes with others to see how they think about this or that, and I enjoy, then, engaging in some deliberation/debate accordingly, guilty as charged.

(Sidebar: There are three things that can come of a conversation like that... one can be persuaded that the other person has some substantive points, and the previously held opinion has to be modified or completely changed to accommodate that... or... one can be persuaded the other person did his/her best, but nothing offered was convincing, and so one learns that there is even better reason to affirm his/her own original opinion... or one can be persuaded that the other person was not actually engaged in any substantive way that allowed either to occur. In either of the first two cases, something productive came out of the conversation.)

If the accusation is that I am disingenuous, deceptively leading people to think my mind is a blank slate, and I'm asking them to write on that blank slate when I pose a question, then that's just simply not accurate. Not in the least. That's not me. That might be someone else you know, but if so, then it's almost certain that you're doing that psychological projecting thing.

 

Edit: I'm sorry... not "accusation"... I meant "observation" if that's less offensive and more accurate from where you sit.

 Thanks

5 minutes ago, sturt said:

 

 

So, to your mind, I'm deliberately misleading people to think I'm going to agree with their opinions if they post their responses to questions I put up, and so, when I don't, then I've effectively just played a head game.

Is that it?

 

 

I don't pretend to know your intent. Don't know if it's deliberate or not. Regardless, I don't believe there's ever any fact or evidence that would persuade you in any of your debates. In that sense, I do believe you asking the question is a bit disingenuous. 

4 minutes ago, sturt said:

I'm sorry, @REHawksFan... I thought I was reading that you take offense to my asking questions, but having some opinion of my own before I ask the question. Did I misunderstand? Not being sarcastic. That's truly what I thought I was reading, but correct me if I assumed too much.

 No, I don't take offense at all. In fact, I don't generally take much of what you seriously BECAUSE.....my observation is simply that you ask questions disingenuously as I do not believe you have any real interest in having your opinion changed. You seem more interested in parsing words and engaging in formal debate as opposed to being persuaded by someone else's opinion. And that's fine. We all have our reasons for reading and posting on a message board. Again, just an observation.