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6 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Maxi Kleber could be a Hawk. I think he’s still out there and not returning to Mavs it seems. He’s a hustler who plays hard to make up for lack of natural basketball talent. Depending on the price, not too shabby imo.

****** IMAGINE A MARC STEIN TWEET HERE THAT SAYS MAVS SIGNED KLEBER TO A 4-YR, 35M DEAL ******

20 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Kinda thought Pierce said that we were too small last year and the line above was mentioned by the interviewer.  Pierce's response was..."it is nice to have options" rather than an endorsement of the line up

If you listen around the 5:00 mark, LP specifically says in a response to how versatile the team is "more importantly those two guys can guard 1 through 4. If you want to play John at the 5, Cam at the 3, Deandre at the 4, however you want to play it, we can do it." 

I think LP has made enough other comments to support the idea that John is going to get the bulk of his time - especially early on - at the 4, but I wouldn't rule out playing the 5 and going with a small lineup like he mentions in the clip. 

I ALWAYS come away from his interviews highly impressed and more excited about the team. Even when he's reserved on occasion, his comments just seem to exude enthusiasm and excitement for the team and future. Love it.

Also, sorry @hazer but I'm not seeing the trade for Embiid deal. Philly would want a king's ransom and I'm not sure TS will ever be willing to go that route. The only exception to that I see is if he demands a trade and gives Philly little opportunity to get a big return. More likely though, Joel would have to get frustrated with not winning in the playoffs and decide to walk away and come join LP on his own.  I guess it's possible, but not very likely imo. I do think LP would LOVE to have him though.  

2 minutes ago, sturt said:

Surprised that they gave him the second year player option, at least, a little. Anyone else?

Doesn't that fit your 20-21 timeline? 

I don't mind the option at what amounts to small salary in the NBA. 

1 hour ago, AHF said:

Can't read the article but I like that he asked to play in the summer league.  Suggests some desire there.  

 

Wish I could say this surprised me but it doesn't.  Wonder if we will actually keep him on the roster or if we simply gave up on Spellman and took on his salary for a pick.  

Strange day for the Hawks.

Here's a section of it that I thought was pretty good. Shows the potential and the negatives...(I bolded the part that stands out to me)

“This is why we have to have Damian,” Steve Kerr said after the Suns game. “If you think of the past week: Adams, Gobert, Jokić and now Ayton. You have to have that kind of size to deal with the position. There will be smaller matchups, but I thought he passed this week’s test with flying colors.”

((snip ~lw3))

Jones has a useful but limited skill set, very dependent on its surroundings. Give him spacing and an elite pick-and-roll ballhandler and he can do some things. Take it all away and he’s suddenly lost in an environment where his strengths are diminished and his weaknesses are illuminated.

((snip ~lw3))

Curry returned on the first day of December, in Detroit. Jones had two dunks and a putback that night. But in the third quarter, his arm got tangled up while battling for a rebound with Andre Drummond.

“Weird play,” Jones said. “Super unexpected. I thought maybe I dislocated something.”

He hoped it was something minor, but the swelling intensified once he got to the locker room. The training staff had him go through some motion exercises with his left arm. He’d had this type of feeling before.

A late-night Detroit hospital trip and MRI would only confirm what he’d already feared. The game Curry returned, Jones tore his left pec, ending his best opportunity to prove whether he could survive in the NBA.

“It really did suck,” Jones said.

12 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

Y'all can try to spin this move all you want..this is just a inexplicably terrible move!

CAVEAT:  I didn't pay a lick of attention to Parker last year so this isn't the eye test. Also, as I've mentioned before, I don't buy much into the defensive metrics because I think they are at least partly a product of the players around you.  With HUGE grain of salt laid out there.....

His defensive metrics are actually better than Collins, Vince Carter, and Omari Spellman from last year:

Jabari Parker:    1.3 DWS / -0.5 DBPM / 113 DRTG

John Collins:      1.0 DWS / -1.2 DBPM / 115 DRTG

Vince Carter:      0.7 DWS / -1.4 DBPM / 115 DRTG

Omari Spellman: 0.5 DWS / 0.0 DBPM / 113 DRTG

So I mean, yeah, he sucks at defense, but he doesn't suck any worse than any other PF on the team last year.  

I'm not excited about it for sure but I also don't get the vitriol for it. We're talking about a back up 4 that will play 20-25 min and can put up 15 pts / 7 reb on a short term, affordable deal.  

I guess my question is......is he better than Parsons or Spellman because that's who was penciled in as JC's backup an hour ago.  

10 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Or Crabbe + Turner = Adams

I actually like that one better.   OKC would do it ( if they're ready to blow it up ) because they'd get 25 mill off the payroll at the end of the season.

Crabbe + Turner doesn't work as the Hawks would be sending $37M out and taking in only $25M. 

Could be either Crabbe OR Turner alone or either Crabbe OR Turner + another smaller contract like Spellman or Bembry

4 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Prediction:

I'll say that we're using Jabari as a filler to flip for someone else.

My guess is this guy, if OKC is about to blow it up.

 

 

Turner + Jabari = Adams

Can they sign Jabari and immediately trade him?  Thought they had to wait for a while before the trade?  

I could see Crabbe for Adams or

Crabbe + Spellman = Adams.

Just now, Spud2nique said:

Show off! Honestly..2 years at 13 is pretty great. Super inexpensive, plus it makes @jy23 happy !!! Got ur Dukie!

I was just typin..... @marco102 is all up in here rubbin it in our face.   

Just now, Peoriabird said:

OMG!  WTF?

Help a brotha out....is that a good WTF or a bad WTF??  

Just now, Spud2nique said:

we pushed it same time. Mine on another thread 🧵 it

I don't know how to do a twitter link to this board or I'd link it. 

Hawks sign Jabari Parker

24 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Hawks are winning 44 games at the least and 50 games is what I expect this upcoming season

Love it. 

I just think it really hinges on the growth of Trae/Huerter/Collins and how NBA-ready Hunter/Reddish/Bruno are. The rest (backup PG, bench production, vet leadership, etc...) will take care of itself, imo. 

7 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Check this thread....

 

Thought for sure I was going to click that link and see I was the first one to respond. Would have felt really dumb.  

Thanks I had forgotten it had already been discussed.  

How would y'all feel about Steven Adams with his huge contract for two more years?

$25.8M this year

$27.5M next year

Any takers?    

1 hour ago, AHF said:

I think this is a clear signal that Schlen views this season as still building the foundation for the future and not the first year of trying to contend.  So that makes sense.  Someone with cap space will likely extract significant value and Schlenk aims to be that team.  

Adjust your expectations accordingly.

Don't disagree entirely, but would add that, to me, there's a difference in "not the first year of trying to contend" and "trying not to make the playoffs." 

It may be subtle, but I think it's distinct. The natural progression of the young players could absolutely be in the playoff chase, imo, without Schlenk doing anything to "help" them out in FA.  However, I think (and certainly hope) we are past the "load management in order to stay in the lottery" phase of the rebuild.  If the guys progress but don't quite make the playoffs and that results in a lottery bid, then fine.  But I hope we are past the front office steering toward the lottery.  

1 hour ago, Peoriabird said:

1st of all, the teams you are comparing won 29 games!  Secondly, you are not factoring in the bench.  Last year's bench was much better with guys like Bazemore, Lin, Len and Carter.  Thirdly, we don't know what we will get out of our rookie players.  Hunter may not be ready to start right away so there are too many questions with this to assume they will be competitive. And fourthly, we are dangerously thin up front and 1 key injury would be devastating.

I'm honestly not sure if you even read my post as I addressed nearly everything you are cited in the post. 

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

This is a very good thought line you have going here.  I think maybe the one aspect you aren't looking at is that we got taller/longer.  We were a disaster defensively last year.  Had we given up 5 less points a game we would have been .500.  Len starting is a hair longer/taller than Dedmon....Hunter is slightly taller/longer than Prince...Cam is definitely taller/longer than Baze. Evan Turner is much bigger than Lin/Adams.  Remember that Lin wasn't even on the roster for our best stretch of the season.  Turner is replacing Adams for that stretch and regardless of your feelings on Turner, he is a mile better, bigger than Adams. Parsons and Crabbe are also bigger/longer than anyone else we had at those spots.

 

One of the reasons veteran teams beat younger teams more often than not is physical size, weight and use of energy. We blew so much energy because we were small last year.  We are so much bigger it will show on defense, even if our offense is a bit slower. 

Yeah, I wasn't really sure how to capture the defensive end so this is more a look at replacing the offense that has been lost.  I'm optimistic about replacing Dedmon (with Len), Prince (with Hunter), Baze (Crabbe/Reddish), and Lin (Turner) but am a bit skeptical about replacing Len and Carter's production. And again, just one side of the ball so doesn't tell the whole story for sure. 

With the way the East is shaping up, the playoffs are still obtainable, imo. The key is the development of the young core though.  How much growth will we see in the 2nd year players. Will Trae and Kev continue to improve? Will the combo of Trae and JC continue to improve? How ready are Hunter, Cam, and Bruno for major responsibility? Can they contribute early on? All those are reasonable questions that likely need to go in the Hawks favor to have any shot at the playoffs, imo.

Also, just looking at this with some comparisons in mind (these may not be perfect but how I sort them out in my mind):

Taurean Prince (13.5 pts / 3.6 reb / 2.1 ast) replaced by DeAndre Hunter

Dedmon (10.8 pts / 7.5 reb / 1.4 ast) replaced by Alex Len (11.1 pts / 5.5 reb / 1.1 ast)

Alex Len (11.1 pts / 5.5 reb / 1.1 ast) replaced by Bruno Fernando

Baze (11.6 pts / 3.9 reb / 2.3 ast) replaced by Allen Crabbe (9.6 pts / 3.4 reb / 1.1 ast) and Cam Reddish

Jeremy Lin (10.7 pts / 2.3 reb / 3.5 ast) replaced by Evan Turner (6.8 pts / 4.5 reb / 3.9 ast)

Vince Carter (7.4 pts / 2.4 reb / 1.1 ast) replaced by Chandler Parsons (7.5 pts / 2.8 reb / 1.7 ast)

So the question is can the young guys get better AND can Hunter replace the production of Prince, Bruno replace Len's production, and the combo of Crabbe / Reddish replace Baze?  

Personally, I'll feel better if they resign VC or someone more reliable than Parsons.  I'm also a bit wary of Bruno filling Len's shoes in year one. I'm bullish on his future, but not sure how much is reasonable to expect for a rookie.  

Is Zaza still available?

What about Amir Johnson or Pau Gasol? 

Just some ideas on old guys for depth purposes. I like Zaza. 

10 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

@marco102 has been on fire lately. I had no idea about Hunter’s reps calling the Hawks. Awesome. Adding a center that would have commanded a lot more but now sitting on wire we get him cheaper huh? Who is it? But we want to carry most of the $14 mill to the trade deadline? So we gonna pay this center with peanuts ?  

Ole Travis may not quite be at the Dollar General yet but he's damn sure strolling through Five Below to find his man. I think it's safe to assume - based on LPs comments and common sense - that the young guys on the current team will be the features. Looking for depth and locker room guys now imo. VC would be perfect if he's ok with the load being light.

I don't get the Jaylen Adams fascination at all. What does he do at an NBA level? 

Just now, bleachkit said:

You don't hate them if you're team is trading the pick.

Hou right about that. But I have more experience receiving picks than giving them lately. LOL