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To be fair....Schlenk said he didn't WANT to sell the picks. He never said he wouldn't do it.

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

Get Cam at all cost Travie

What you gonna do if they trade 8/10 for 5 and then take Culver?  I would HATE that trade.  No reason, imho, to trade BOTH 8 and 10.  

10+17 is preferred but I'd even be ok with 8+17 I guess.  8+10 though is WAY too much, imo.  

2 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

When has TS stated that he wants to add Love?

6 minutes ago, REHawksFan said:

The reality is if TS thinks Love would ADD to the team and make them better, then he should do it IF he can navigate the bad contract (I wouldn't do it, but I'm not the GM).  

1 minute ago, Peoriabird said:

So you are admitting that the Hawks win because of Trae and Collins so why do we need Love?

You make some of the strangest arguments. 

Why would the Hawks need ANY player if they win because of Trae and Collins?  LBJ, KD, Kawhi, Zion, none of them matter by your logic.  

The reality is if TS thinks Love would ADD to the team and make them better, then he should do it IF he can navigate the bad contract (I wouldn't do it, but I'm not the GM).  

6 minutes ago, JTB said:

If this is real I’m not mad.

love plus 5th pick and 8th pick! Shiiiiiddddd I will take it!

5th pick culver 8th pick Cam

Like the player. Not sure I can stomach the contract.  4 more years when he's already 30 is a big ask.  BUT......the Hawks are in a good spot financially so maybe it wouldn't hurt too bad? I dunno.  Again, I like the player and would welcome his production (when healthy) to the team.  

29 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Nope they need cap relief.

So what would the Hawks have to give up - player wise - to even make the deal work?  Love's salary is around $30M I think.  They don't have that much free cap space do they?  

Doesn't KLove have like 4 years at $30M per year left on his deal???  That doesn't fit the "cap relief" concept in my mind.  He would be the Hawks max contract guy and then I would question whether his fit is there with the rest of the young Hawks age-wise?  

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

One-a y'all explain this dude to me.  When I saw him play he just looked like a 'guy'.  I tried watching more but I have red/black color blindness. 

 

LOL....I figured as much with the Avatar.  I'm a little biased because I have a connection with the kid (I wouldn't say I'm personally close with him but one of his mentors is one of my close friends). 

Anyway, as a player, he has a ton of potential, imo.  He has good length - blocks a lot of shots - can rebound, pass, and dribble.  UGA had no PG on the team this year so a lot of the plays ran through Nic which show his ball handling potential.  He has a limited jump shot but he's shown enough to think he has the potential to be a competent stretch 5.  

For me, he'd be a defensive big that can protect the rim first.  His offense would be secondary but would come over time.  He's raw.  Needed another year in school but decided to take a chance with a weak draft.  

17 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

The HC weighs in... 

https://929thegame.radio.com/articles/atlanta-hawks-open-anything-2019-nba-draft-even-point-guard

- Practically comes out and says at about the 5:00 mark that they're looking at adding as few as 2, as many as 4, but more than likely 3 guys Thursday night... one ready to plug-in to the line-up, one who may need some time before he breaks into the rotation, and another who could need a year in College Park.

- Not worried about how ball dominant a player is, because as much as Trae gets double-teamed, they need another legitimate scoring threat who can also distribute, and it doesn't matter what position that guy plays

- Some guys who visit are off the Hawks board based on Pierce getting a vibe that they're not coachable

- Defensive ability and mindset are definitely wanted assets

I know I'm biased but the bolded text above screams Nic Claxton to me.  I hope so anyway.  Would love him on the hawks.

15 minutes ago, Gray Mule said:

I read somewhere that our GM said that there was only one really, really great player in this year's draft.  Most everyone seems to agree with him.  However, he went on to say that this year's draft was very deep in better than average players.  If he really believes this and was not just blowing smoke, which is not likely, the Hawks are sitting pretty.  The worst problem?  What are we going to do with all the new players and who is gone from the end of season roster?

Since our GM likes draft picks, we may trade some present picks for future picks and take on someone's problem child or someone's over paid player.  Whatever we do we will know soon !!

Yeah....Schlenk has said on multiple occasions that the draft is very deep while also maintaining it is top heavy.  I take that to mean he believes the elite players are few but the above average players are many. When that's the case, it makes sense to keep multiple 1st rounders to give yourself more opportunities to find a good player.  

At this point, I'd just as soon keep the picks they have and take the best players available.  Maybe trade the 2nds for an additional late 1st.   

13 minutes ago, kg01 said:

I feel it's more likely they'll look to keep Jrue and trade Lonzo.  Either way, you're off on Jrue.  His calling card is defense.  Remember him and Rondo shutting down the Blazers' guards a year ago?  Being a true 2-way defender is part of why he's so valuable.

If they trade him, it'll be in a deal separate from the 4 pick.  He has his own value, no need to pkg with that pick.  jmho

32 minutes ago, MaceCase said:

I always thought that Jrue's calling card was that he was a versatile defender that could score some.  Checking ESPN's RPM he's ranked 10th amongst PGs in DRPM but then again I also thought he was used as a 2 over the past 2 seasons.

You are both right.  I should have trusted my eyes.  I went and looked up his numbers on bb ref prior to posting and saw his 112 Def Rating and neg DBPM and just went with that.  My bad.  Should have known better as defensive stats are more team centric, imo, anyway.  

I'll take my time out now.  LOL

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

New Orleans, by trading Davis, effectively made a 4 for 1 trade this year that only saves them 2 million in salary cap space.  If they renounce all their free agents and waive all of their non-guaranteed contracts, they will have 11 players on the roster after the draft including their 2nd round pick and will be almost 7 million over the cap with 4 players to sign.  They need cap relief. Their 2 first picks alone will take up 15% of the cap. The could really use the 2 draft picks and they could use someone taking 1 or 2 contracts off their hands. Having Lonzo Ball now puts them in a difficult position with Jrue Holiday who is very good but overpaid. They either need someone to take Jrue Holiday off their hands and start the rebuild in earnest or someone to take on the Balls.  I'm not sure I want the headaches they are offering.

 

Because Holiday is signed for 3 more years, he handicaps their options going forward.  A situation where its 4 for 8 and a swap of Holiday for either Baze or Plumlee with the Hawks adding 2nds as sweetner is possible.  Baze or Plumlee offer cap relief after this year whereas keeping Holiday is 3 years of $26.1 million tied up.  Holiday + Zion + #4 = 40% of the cap going forward.  Its a bad formula.

ie...don't overpay the Pelicans. They have needs and issues to consider.

Sign me up for Jrue Holiday.  I've always been a fan.  He may be a defensive liability, but he's also a guy that can score and can take some pressure off of Trae as a ball handler.  

I don't think NO is looking to trade him, but if he was available, I'd give up 8+Baze +2nds to get Jrue +4.  Done.  

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

I hear ya. Even if we walked away with:

#4/#8

Cam/Hunter 

Culver/Hunter

Cam/Clarke

Culver/Clarke

?

 

Love it.  Although I'm still high on Sekou so for me it's 2 of Cam/Sekou/Hunter while also keeping 17 for Goga / Bruno / Claxton.  Although I keep hearing Bruno is dropping so maybe he makes it to 35.  That would be a steal, imo.

10 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

E-Z pass. If Chicago wants Garland, that's better for us. 

I would do another deal tho.

NO #7, Solo Hill for #10 

We can take Cam or Hunter and Sekou or Clarke with no resistance.

Maybe Hunter and Cam

Like the idea of 2 picks in top 8.  Getting 2 of Cam/Sekou/Hunter is appealing to me.  Keeping 17 is a priority as well unless they already know they can jump back into the late 1st.  Maybe take Goga or Nic with that pick.  

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

What about 10+17 for #4 and Solomon Hill?

I wouldn't HATE it, but I don't really see the need for it either unless TS just really believes none of the wings will be there at 8.  If we are doing NO a favor taking Hill's bad contract, I'd offer 10 + 2nd for Hill + 4.  Otherwise, I'd just keep the 3 I have take the BPA.  My opposition is there's ZERO reason to trade 8 with any combination of players or picks to get up to 4.  I just wouldn't do it. 

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

ya it’s bs.

 

According to Yahoo's Keith Smith, Atlanta is one of the teams expressing interest in the No. 4 pick as it tried to package together two or three of its first-round selections. 

The Athletic's Sam Vecenie reported that Chicago is the team brought up the most across the league in discussions about the No. 4 pick. 

Of those two teams, Atlanta has the better collection of assets, as it possesses the No. 8, No. 10 and No. 17 selections. The Hawks acquired the No. 10 pick from Dallas in last year's Luka Doncic trade and picked up No. 17 from Brooklyn in a recent deal. 

If Atlanta packages all three picks to move up and take one of Darius Garland, Jarrett Culver or De'Andre Hunter, New Orleans would have three selections to work with in addition to the No. 1 pick. 

The one I saw came from a Pels site so it was either a complete fabrication or just wishful thinking, or both.  IF TS did something that stupid (trading all 3 1sts OR including a core piece in a trade for 4) all of my trust in him would be eroded.  Thankfully he's a lot smarter than that.  

21 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

More lies from BR...Hawks trying to move up using multiple firsts???  

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2841424-nba-trade-rumors-updates-on-potential-blockbuster-deals-entering-2019-draft

Saw one (idiotic) rumor this morning where Hawks trade 8, 10, and Kev for 4 to take Culver...

9 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

I’m banking they don’t until the draft. You focus on you studies and stay in school young man! 

LOL.....who you callin young?  

7 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Good mock 

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Would absolutely LOVE if it came true. Cam Sekou and Claxton are all on my wish list.

3 hours ago, GameTime said:

Dream scenario for the Lakers is Kawhi or Kyrie. Realistically I see either Kemba or Jimmy Bulter signing with them. Minimum veteran players will flock to the Lakers now that AD is there. 

Current reports are that Lakers won't have maz space for a FA so I doubt Kyrie or Kemba take less to go play with LBJ. Kemba has said he wants to stay in Cha and Kyrie is all but locked into Bkn.

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Claxton (assuming you mean Georgia) is going late 1st early 2nd and will be a 6 fouls hit the weight room guy but will be on a roster as of right now.

Yeah I don't think he gets out of the 1st round (may not get past SAS at 19) but i just think he needs time to develop. Not ready for NBA physically.  

2 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

We shouldn’t get rid of picks until the draft. As the draft approaches the picks become more valuable. GM’s get caught up in the hype as we do so the stock only goes up.

Yeah I'd just as soon they not do anything until the draft too. I got work to do this week and ain't gettin anything done checking NBA rumors all day every day. 

Just now, thecampster said:

The one everyone knows is Tacko Fall....nobody wants to draft him and put them on their opening night roster. Everyone would like to try and develop him.

I think Claxton is also a G league guy. Or needs to be. 

7 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Zero chance. 

Which goes into new information

CHI is shopping #7 to A. Move up to #4 or B. move back. The teams who have interest are interested in a wing (Reddish or Little). Hunter is not generating the attention and should be available at #8 and later. 

ATL doesn't seem to have tremendous interest in Hunter. 

Which also is why ATL is aggressively trying to move up for a wing. 

The bad news I got is if Culver is gone at #4, CLE will take Reddish. 

ATL is in prime position to move up to #4 as I am hearing NO wants a center and are looking at Hunter. 

ATL is also in talks with CHI for #7. 

ATL is also trying to move back into the 1st with 2nd rounders and the ability to take on some 2019 salary. Teams are aware of this but teams want to see how the draft plays out first before trading down... I.E. (OKC).

As I said, LA moving out of the top 4 will change the draft and likely against us as they were taking Garland #4 but now, that pick is clearly not a PG. 

 

Expect the Hawks to be extremely and wisely aggressive. Drop the ideas of if we go up to #4, it's just for Culver because right now, Cam is a top 5 pick and Little is rapidly moving up the boards. 

This also means Coby White has dropped down the board, don't be surprised if he's drafted outside of the top 10. 

 

My hopes is we leave with 4, 10, and a 20 something pick with 3-4 players with one 2nd rounder if any at all.

 

Do you think they HAVE to give up 8 to get to 4 or could 10 and 17 plus 2nds get it done? 

41 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

A lock to where?

Nets imo. His new agent is the twin brother of Nets President I think. All signs point to Brooklyn.