5 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

PHX - 6th pick for Ball

LA - 4/6 for Beal

LA - Beal, BI, and future 1sts for AD

Best case is if it's Bulls pick instead. 

4/7 for Beal

 

So WAS would end up with 4, 6, AND 9?  Wow.  That's one way to jump start a rebuild I suppose.  

6 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Not the happiest camper today. It seems like we might have to move up to get Cam or Hunter. Lakers are likely to flip 4 and Ball for 6 to WAS and Beal to NO would really rain on our parade. That said, Washington really like Nassir Little but we will see. I am hoping that this ain't true. I am hoping it's not. 

I'm confused....what's the trade again?

Wash doesn't have 6.  Did you mean 9?  And why would Wash trade from 9 to 4 to get Little when he's likely available at 9?  And what's NO giving up to get Beal?  

On 8/25/2018 at 11:12 AM, KB21 said:

Vince Carter WAS a star, but now he's a guy who will not be able to play on back to back nights and at best can give you 15 minutes off the bench.    

So just to recap....VC avg 17.5 min and went for 15+ min 49 times in 76 games.  He went 20+ min in 26 games and maxed out at nearly 45 mins in the 4OT game.  He also played in 7 back to backs.  Not too shabby for a 42 year old.  

This thread is comedic gold.  I can't get over the "Trae won't get a 2nd contract" comment.  

59 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

It all depends how you view him. From my insiders, some teams love him, some teams don't. Could go as high as #9, could fall out of the 1st. I think he can be drafted around 17-26 but his range is wide!

Shaping up to be a wild draft night.  Hopefully it works out well for the Hawks. Would LOVE to see Bruno in Atlanta. 

2 minutes ago, thecampster said:

"Nets Daily: From @BobbyMarks42 re: @taureanprince on @ryenarussillo podcast: “They like Taurean Prince a lot. They really do. I think he’ll fit probably at the 4 for Kenny Atkinson. He can replace DeMarre Carroll there.” Note days before deal, Nets hired Jeff Peterson, Hawks assistant GM.

 

2 hours ago – via Twitter NetsDaily"

 

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

The comic value of the trade has bumped it from an 8 to a 10 in my book now.

So TP was playing out of position all this time? Is that it?  

And then there's this from NBADraft.net...

 

Updated: 6/2/19 10:30 pm

#	Team	Player	H	W	P	School	C
1	New Orleans	Zion Williamson	6-6	280	PF	Duke	Fr.
2	Memphis	Ja Morant	6-3	175	PG	Murray St.	So.
3	New York	RJ Barrett	6-7	210	SG	Duke	Fr.
4	LA Lakers	DeAndre Hunter	6-7	225	SF/PF	Virginia	So.
5	*Cleveland	Darius Garland	6-2	175	PG	Vanderbilt	Fr.
6	Phoenix	Coby White	6-5	190	PG/SG	North Carolina	Fr.
7	Chicago	Jarrett Culver	6-6	195	SG	Texas Tech	So.
8	Atlanta	Cameron Reddish	6-8	210	SG/SF	Duke	Fr.
9	Washington	Bruno Fernando	6-10	240	C	Maryland	So.
10	*Atlanta	Mfiondu Kabengele	6-10	255	PF/C	Florida St.	So.

NBA Draft.net

4 hours ago, JTB said:

I just hope he’s really there at #17 man ....

The latest MOCK from The Athletic...Bruno seems to be all over the board. 

40. Sacramento Kings (from MIN) — Bruno Fernando

6-10 center, sophomore, Maryland

Fernando is good, but what teams are starting to wonder if what exact role does he play in the NBA? He’s not much of a shooter right now, and his defensive awareness leaves something to be desired around the basket. He’s not a real switch guy on the perimeter defensively. He can certainly pass, which is great, and his IQ on that end is strong. He also has a nose for the basketball. But role questions are why you see Fernando slide to the second round here, as well as just the simple fact that the NBA has too many bigs.

The Athletic

Wishlist:

8. Cam

10. Sekou

17. Goga/Bruno

Trade up for Claxton

12 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

You mean that hit rate of 100% for the Hawks since Schlenk has been here?

Was about to say the same. Schlenk won't continue to bat 1.000% but his success rate is far greater than the NBA average for middle 1st round.  That should be considered.  

10 hours ago, thecampster said:

knowing it was Trae +10 this year for Luka you still aren't happy with it?

 

I didn't like it at the time but today I'd probably do the trade without this year's pick.  Trae was that impressive to me, even given the obvious defensive liabilities.  

1 hour ago, Eddielives said:

Forming an opinion at a certain point in time doesn't equate to your final/definitive vote. What I'm hearing and seems to be implied here is that any voicing of opinion before the final vote is going to have to be their final vote and those remaining games won't matter to that person. Sorry but that's a bit unfair to hold someone as incapable of stating an opinion without any capability of changing their mind.

 

And if you look at the tone towards Luka in this thread, there's far more snark, negativity, and naysaying about him now and in his future whereas I've been fair and praiseworthy of both guys. I just find it amusing to point out that the sensitive over-defense of Trae by so many posters here suggests some bias. It's like Trae is our boy and we must defend him at all costs from this silly notion that Luka may be better, even though I have stated that gap between them isn't that big. 

It's one thing for a media person to say "Luka certainly leads for the ROY right now" while it's entirely a different thing to say "Luka IS the ROY. It's over. Trae has had a nice run, but Luka IS the ROY"  

The latter is what I heard repeatedly starting in February.  I'm not holding them to some unfair standard.  I'm simply using what they've specifically said to prove to you that it isn't exactly a "fair" race.  Personally, I think Trae is deserving but I'm not going to disparage Luka because he had a great year as well.  But please don't act like the media didn't formulate their FINAL opinion prior to the end of the season because that's exactly what happened.  

15 hours ago, Eddielives said:

I'd like to see what the results would be if every gm, today,  were told you had the #1 pick in last years draft and you wanted the best player available, who would you take.  Now I'm not going to pretend to know the answer to that with absolute certainty, but I do think, with a fairly high degree of certainty,  the results would prove that the opinion that Trae is better than Luka is just a fringe opinion.  Still I think Trae goes 2-3 in any redraft.  Not too shabby and I'm glad to have him, especially if that Dallas pick this year nets us someone special.  

That's obviously impossible to know or prove one way or another.  Here's what I'll say, from a statistical POV:

Trae since December 1 (58 games so not a small sample):  20.5 pts / 8.2 ast / 4.0 reb / 43.3% FG% / 35.2% 3pt% / 1.295 PPS

Luka (last 58 games for similar comparison): 22.2 pts / 6.5 ast / 8.1 reb / 41.9% FG% / 31.0% 3pt% / 1.290 PPS

I mean, the two are very similar in their production.  Both very good.  Luka led his team to a 22-36 record in those games.  Trae led his team to a 24-34 record.  

i just don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it out to be.  As others have said, however you want to classify Luka (generational, elite, etc...) you almost HAVE to include Trae on that same level because they've achieved essentially the same things after one season.  

9 hours ago, Eddielives said:

To be honest, with 20-25 games left, it's kind of their jobs to start taking positions on who they think will win.  And I believe that's far enough into the season to start making a fairly concrete statement on who you think will win.  Trae did almost everything humanly possible to narrow the gap down the homestretch and he certainly did narrow it imo.   I'm no mind reader but I bet a fair amount of "media types" took notice and probably gave it at least an inkling of consideration based on that last month by Trae.  I have to wonder too, if Luka were a Hawk, would there be still be this sort of implication of mistrust of the media making up their minds on Doncic or if there'd be a lot of hell ya he's the clear winner...Trae is good and all but Doncic is the ROY no doubt!  You know what I mean?

Do I know what you mean? Well yes. But I disagree a bit. I mean, you say you expect the media to formulate their opinions with 20 - 25 games left so that ignores the best 25% of Traes season and the worst 25% of Lukas. 

Seems pretty arbitrary to me. You could just as easily ignore or discount the first 25% when Trae was finding his way. 

Rather, one SHOULD wait til the end of the season to formulate their opinion. And in doing so, it would be fairly clear that Luka and Trae are close statistically but Luka holds the slight edge overall. I agree he will be ROY but i disagree that it's some obvious choice. 

4 minutes ago, Eddielives said:

I agree with most of what you say. But I really don't think the decision was made because Luka got out of the gates faster. I think it's because he legitimately proved that he may be a generational talent. It's not Trae's fault he's a different and smaller player. But if I need a shot creator in the last seconds, I'll take both of their ability to hit an open big shot but Luka can create more space with his body. He's very Hardenesque with his ability to create like that. Trae will never bully someone with his body to create space for that last second drop back three/jumper.  I think that's part of what makes Luka better and what has legitimately separated him from Trae. But let me repeat that I love me some Trae Young and am looking forward to his growth. He could still ultimately turn out to be a better player but not right now. 

I've just heard too many folks that vote (media types) say Luka was a lock when there was still 20, 25 games left in the season. That tells me folks had already made up their minds. 

Also, I dont have the stat in front of me, but seems like I saw a stat where Trae was actually better in the clutch than Luka. Both ranked toward the top of the league but Trae had the better numbers I think. 

Personally I just don't see how anyone can claim one is overall better than the other at this point. Both have their strengths and their weaknesses. Both hold some elite company in certain stats. And both struggled for portions of the season (Trae to start and Luka to end).

There's no conspiracy.  It's just reality of how things work. Luka was sensational right out of the gate and won a lot of people over. At the same time Trae struggled mightily for the first 6 weeks of the season. It's fairly natural for the media to make up their mind at that point and it becomes difficult to change the narrative.

The way I see it is this....Luka was substantially  better than Trae early in the season. The two were about equal in the middle. And Trae was substantially better toward the end. Overall, the two ended up with similar numbers but Luka's were a tad bit better. 

Luka winning ROY is more about Luka having an insurmountable lead than Trae not being better during the latter part of the season.

1 hour ago, Eddielives said:

I'm sorry but just for clarity are you saying there was a huge gap between Doncic and Trae young the second half of last year?  If so you are looking at different stats than I am.  Perhaps you found a site with incorrect data.  By any reasonable standard,  Trae may have arguably been better the second half but using the words "Trae was far the better player" to describe that difference is an opinion that is easily refuted by merely looking at their stats.  You have to have some pretty heavy biases towards focusing on part of the story to come to that opinion.  I love Trae but Doncic is going to win ROY for valid reasons, namely that he is just, right now, better.  If what you say is true, Trae will win the award.  We'll see who's right.

No offense but this doesn't refute the argument that Trae was better in the second half. People made up their minds in December who was ROY. 

Trae was definitely the better player during the second half. I've got a detailed breakdown at my office and will be happy to share but won't be back until Thursday.

Think about it this way...how much better was Luka than Trae in October November and basically half of December when Trae shot 19% from 3? Now look at the overall season numbers being essentially the same. How did that happen if Trae wasn't substantially  better the last half of the year??

1 minute ago, REHawksFan said:

#21 - Yes, please.

Adams - Meh

Doesn't space the floor, don't think of him as an elite defender though he does rebound well. 

OK....just looked up his numbers and apparently he IS a quality defender.  I guess I need to watch him a little more.

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

What do you guys think if we got #21 and Steven Adams for both picks in the #40s

#21 - Yes, please.

Adams - Meh

Doesn't space the floor, don't think of him as an elite defender though he does rebound well. 

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Atlanta Hawks reportedly interested in re-signing Dewayne Dedmon to short-term contract

Shams Charania of The Athletic shared some interesting reporting on Tuesday afternoon, and it centers on the potential of Dewayne Dedmon returning to Atlanta. Charania brings word that the Hawks have “interest in potentially re-signing” the free agent big man and he notes that the structure could be a “balloon one-year deal” or a “shorter-term contract” modeled after the previous two-year pact with Dedmon that expires at the end of June. 

Elsewhere, Charania also reports that Atlanta “could be a destination for contract dumps” over the summer, foreshadowing what both Travis Schlenk and Lloyd Pierce have said concerning the team’s aversion to “skipping steps.” In short, that would lead to the Hawks taking on poor salary in exchange for future-facing assets, indicating that the team will continue its slow-burn approach to rebuilding. If that was the plan, the need for “max cap space” would be diminished, further illustrating the potential path for Dedmon’s return.

Not unexpected I guess but not overly exciting news either.  I was hoping we were moving into the adding supporting cast phase of the rebuild.  I get not skipping steps but they also need to make sure they are stalling out in one particular step either.  

12 minutes ago, Thomas said:

A perfectly objective view. Saw the Mavs ten or so games and it was so ugly and a large part of it is from exactly the way you described the situation out there. Good players make teammates better a lot of the time but great players make teammates better almost all the time. Good with the Trae here.

Exactly.  So many folks don't seem to recognize or refuse to see that Trae made his teammates better. That's what elite players do.   JC - improved and more impactful with Trae. TP - career best shooting numbers. Len - career best pts and 3PT%.  Dedmon - career best pts and 3PT%.  

1 hour ago, NBASupes said:

Just from what I have, Little's range is from 7-12. 

Hunter is from 4-12

Reddish is from 4-10

Clarke 6-14

Rui 6-12

Sekou 6-14

Goga and Hayes from 9-20

Bruno range is one of the widest. From 9-35

Bol is the widest from 5-35. 

Culver 4-7

Kabs from 9 to 22.

 

P.J. Washington is the widest for a PF from 9 to 22. 

Other wide ones are Kyle Guy, Bazley, Mann, Jontay Porter and Okeke. Centers are wide by value to teams. SGs, PF and SFs are usually flat. PGs just depends.

You heard anything about the Hawks having any interest in Claxton?  Don't think the draft works for them as I think he'll be gone late first but wonder if they'd have any interest if they traded up from 35?

43 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

After you've used 8, 10 and Huerter  (Supes says NYK asked for Huerter, we declined) for RJ, what are you trading to get Capela?

Prince? 

A Prince for Capela straight up trade would give Houston Cap relief and provide them with a reasonably young 3 and D player that seems to fit what they do.  

21 minutes ago, Thomas said:

To be polite you just call BS on a rumor like this. Think of how wary and efficient Travis is and then think of this actually happening. A great way to derail a long future of success for the Hawks. Us scoring 130 points every night can only be sustained for so long. Got to defend at some point and especially when we arrive in the playoffs. Don't believe a word of it. 

Forget the specific player for a second, it's really hard to imagine TS wanting to take on $34M / yr for 3 yrs with an aging vet. Even if we sent back contracts to partially offset those would expire after next year so we'd still have 2 years and $70M to deal with.  Dont see it.

36 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

 

 

 

Seems like throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks sort of thing.