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1 hour ago, Spud2Nique said:

Bleacher report had the best addition for every team and ours was Deron Williams?...:-(

Yeah talk about some jacked up ish. Wiz get sweet Lou and Heat get Chandler. C's get Butler. Hawks counter with a washed up former all star. No thanks. I'm half surprised they didnt have Sap going to Cleveland or some other trash on the Hawks. Maybe we can swap Sap for 2nd in 2030. 

3 hours ago, TheFuzz said:

Can't believe we couldn't beat the Pelicans offer for Cousins.

More likely they had no interest in beating the Pels offer. 

1 hour ago, sturt said:

Expiring contracts are more valuable or less valuable depending on what a team's salary situation looks like.

You've looked at Brooklyn's salary situation, and have determined that they need help on that front, then?

By bad...I thought we were talking about Robin Lopez.  And no, I haven't looked at the Bull's cap situation.  I was more talking in general that I figured Splitter's contract was more useful paired with another player to make salaries match. 

But if the trade was Splitter for Brook I'd be all for it.  Hell, I'd throw in a few picks too. 

8 hours ago, LastDon said:

He is Gunner but he fits the mold of the type of guards that bud likes..He can shoot 3s, make free throws and he also get steals..

I don't think that Tim should stop starting and Lou could now be the one who provides that instant offense off the bench..I think he is an upgrade over Delaney who I like..

I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him back for a second tour of duty..He only shot 40 percent from the field and 34 percent from 3 his last season with us..this season those averages are up to 44% and 38% from 3 this season respectively..

This has been his best season as a pro and we should bring him back home.. Lou is putting up 18ppg in 24 minutes a game.. Delaney is averaging 6ppg in 17 minutes a night..I think he is a high character guy off the court and we are jus a team in need of additional weapons..

I would trade the expiring contract of Spitter and that Twolves 1st for him..Lou Williams is a bargain for 7 million next season in the current contract explosion..

Don't know but I'd like to find out.  Give me Chandler and Williams and I'll take it and run for now.  Would rather have Melo but he isn't going anywhere. 

3 minutes ago, ViewsFromTheSquawk said:

Explain? Which side are you referring to cause I know ATL would accept and I'm sure CHI would too

Personally I wouldn't send a 1st for a backup C.  I also would think Splitter's expiring contract would get more than Lopez. 

23 minutes ago, Sothron said:

If we had prime Joe Johnson on this team we'd be a Finals favorite.

Or Melo.  Or Jimmy B. Or Kawhi. Or Rudy (a guy I wanted til he went down).  Alas.....none of them fools are walking through our door.  But can I AT LEAST get a Dano or Wilson?  Pretty please?  I'm resorting to begging now.....

10 minutes ago, DS5 said:

For as bad as we have looked on many games so far, I do think that we are better built for the playoffs than the regular season. If everyone's healthy (i.e. Thabo), I can see us making a deep playoff run as long as we don't see the Cavs until the ECF. 

I would agree if they had a go to scorer for late in games.  As it is, they just don't have consistent scoring to beat the better teams in the playoffs, imo. 

17 minutes ago, Sothron said:

This is what gets me the most. We've done the hard work in having a good PG to go with two good front court players. If we got anything like consistent average play from our SF and SG our record would be at least 5 wins better at this point.

Wait.....so you're saying they've completed the process of transitioning from a team with nothing but Wings to a team devoid of Wings?  Damn.  Where's Billy Knight when you need him. 

34 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Haha.  I guess as you said it's just all Atl trades that are negative.   

I honestly don't know.  I'm not really a conspiracy theory guy or anything, but I just haven't been able to find a trade that improves ATL on their site.  It makes me wonder if there's something amiss with their projection for the Hawks.  Like maybe the system thinks they are projected for 60+ wins or something so every trade makes it worse?  I don't know. 

Just to be fair.....

5 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

I'd noticed that this year every trade is a negative for both teams.  I think the thing is screwed up.   It used to be that one team was positive and one was negative but it seems like it's always negative wins now. 

No joke....I read your post, tested the theory that all teams are negative, and this is the first trade I tried......

41 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

THJ is a restricted free agent.   How is that not valuable.   Unless i'm getting it wrong but whoever has him can match any offer.   If a team believes in his talent that's huge.   So we could flip him for a better more experienced vet that is older from a rebuilding team.     

I'm not saying he's not valuable.  He absolutely is.  I'm saying trading him weakens the Hawks at the Wing (which is already dreadful) so not only does the return have to make up for that, but actually exceed it in order for the Hawks to net out as a positive trade.  I'm just questioning the thought process of trading away your best Wing because I don't see how the Hawks can get substantially better by doing so.  Now, if the goal of the trade is simply to get assets for the future, then yeah, I can see it.  But if the goal is to compete this year (as unlikely as some say that is), then I don't see it.  

26 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Thabo getting hurt may have killed his trade value.   Hardaway is probably the most valuable at this point.    We have to do something though.   No one can seriously look at this team and think we have much of a chance in the playoffs past the 1st round.    The only thing in our favor is that everyone else is struggling a bit too.   I just hope we can bring back some real talent and not more 'hard workers'

I'm not sure I see how trading THJ gets you any better unless it's part of a blockbuster that no one is expecting.  If we are talking tweak trades (expected at this point), then trading THJ (who happens to be your best wing) only weakens the team unless you are trading him for a better Wing.  But what team trades a better Wing to Atl for a lesser Wing on an expiring contract?  I'm not overly attached to THJ and if there's something out there that legit makes them better, then fine.  But I don't see it with THJ.   

14 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

 

Rigged.  Would be funny if it wasn't a sad attempt by that  network.  The ATL hate is real.

 

I was trying not to go there. but the evidence seems pretty damning.  I mean, I don't know about the other guys but I hear that Bron guy is pretty good.  I guess we just don't fully grasp the greatness we have in Baze.  LOL

One more.  I felt SURE this one would make the Hawks better.

So I was playing around with the Trade Machine on ESPN and came up with a few Hawks trades I liked but realized they were all being said that the Hawks were made worse.  Not one to be defeated, I started trying a bunch of different trades on a mission to find one that made the Hawks better according to ESPN.  Well, after a good while, I was defeated.  I honestly can't find one that makes the Hawks better according to their Trade Machine.  My question, am I doing something wrong or is their application out of whack?  I'm guessing the latter but wanted to make sure. 

Here's a few of the trades I tried that I just KNEW would make the Hawks better, but alas, I was foiled yet again...

We need a dysfunctional franchise that Bud can fleece.  What's Brooklyn up to nowadays?  Philly?  I'd take a look anyway. 

Speaking of looking, I was looking over the box from last night and the thing that jumped out to me was:

Moose

Bembry

Prince

Delaney

Dunleavy

Humphries

Scott

Patterson

That's the bench.  I mean, good grief.  14pts in 63 min on 4-16 shooting with 0 Ast, 0 TOs, and 9 PFs.  They were a combined -34 for the game.  I know it's just one game but still....roster needs an upgrade like whoa.   

And now Love is out 6 weeks and Toronto trades for Ibaka. 

The East is as wide open as its been in a several years.  If the Hawks screw around and do nothing and then the freaking C's go on to win the East y'all may be seeing me on the news down at Phillips one day.  Damn. 

On 2/13/2017 at 9:26 AM, Sothron said:

For the record I am not in favor of tanking with this current team. We have put too many chips on the table at this point to fold and go home. We need to go all in. Trade for a reliable SF and let's roll with this team.

Since you brought up the poker angle.....I feel like the Hawks are that weird dude at the end of the table that spends all night check-calling going broke as a joke cuz he's too damn scared to push his dwindling pile into the middle.  Man up, dammit.

5 hours ago, BigDog90 said:

 

Really hope this is just posturing to better position themselves for a trade.  Going to be really disappointed if they do nothing at the deadline. 

2 hours ago, NBASupes said:

Melo could realistically change the east for four teams of they could get him on a discount.

That's 

Charlotte

Indiana 

Especially Toronto and Atlanta.

 

These three teams would be blessed to move a weaker piece and picks for Melo. 

This is the win trade we and those other teams need to become an elite East team. All of those teams need a Sheed to Detroit type of trade to put them over.

Agreed.  And honestly, a trade like this is about the only thing that would move the needle for me.  Doing nothing or making some small periphery trade just doesn't get anyone all that excited, imo.  It seems pretty clear that the Hawks are in in no way built to compete now as currently constructed.  Could they get hot and make a run to the ECF?  Sure.  But more likely over a 7 game series we'll see the sporadic Hawks that ain't going anywhere. 

14 hours ago, Spud2Nique said:

.JUST JUMP FOOL!

I gave you a Like just for this comment.   LOL

15 minutes ago, Wurider05 said:

it seems that every team we are involved in a trade with gets better while we tread the same water. I mean San Antonio, Utah, Pacers etc all seem to be better after being involved in trades with us. Budcox has damn near built the Utah jazz backcourt, Cavs look better with Kyle, Lamarcus (Splitter trade) has been lighting it up, the Pacers are better than they were last year.  While we remain the same. 

While I get the underlying point, you lose me at Utah and the Cavs being better as a direct result of Atl trades (also claiming SA with LA is kinda bogus too).  Utah is better for sure but that's not solely on Atl trading Teague to Indy. And the Cavs are 8-7 since trading for KK so it's hard for me to see that they are clearly better than they were without him.  He's had a few solid games though.  I'd still guess that the Cavs are better when he's on the bench than on the court, just like the Hawks were towards the end. 

Also, I think it's safe to say the draft pick for THJ has made the Hawks better as none of the potential options in the draft appear definitively better than THJ has become.  

The reality is the Hawks are a flawed team and short of making a major trade (which they haven't done yet), they aren't going to get appreciably better.  They've tweaked the roster rather than making a major overhaul. 

5 hours ago, sturt said:

If it's true what many said in the preseason that the previous roster was built for the regular season, but that this roster is built for the postseason .... and... if it's true that THjr can emerge not just as an occasional force but as a consistent one... and, if we can get 2015-16 Mike Scott coming off the bench... and if we can get just half a season of Splitter to, at least, give D8 some lesser minutes down the stretch... can this team gel and get hot in March and actually make a playoff run?

If all of that were to happen w/ zero new major injuries, I'm going to say it's not outside the realm of possibility. I just can't bring myself to be persuaded of it, though, until I see Prince getting some minutes like we saw Bembry get some minutes tonight. Though I hasten to add, Bembry did a lot of good things out there tonight, and he too could easily be a force if given some minutes.

I've been thinking for a few weeks now that the Cavs just didn't look like the dominant team they've been in the past.  I assume they'll get it figured out by the playoffs, but my thought has been that the East was there for the taking. 

As for your question, there's an awful lot of "IFs" in that scenario for the Hawks as is to expect a playoff run.  My preference would be to make a bold trade to position themselves for a strong playoff run.  I'd love to see them add to the current core group somehow rather than trade away a big piece like Sap.  The East is there for the taking, let's go get it.