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Luke Jackson, Nick Fazekus, and a backup combo guard..Maybe take a chance on Shaun Livingston?

You might as well give it up Dol. Smoove scores 17 a game and he is great. Marvin scores 15 a game taking 2.5 less shots and he is a lazy scrub. When Zone sees that as logic there is no point debating. The real logic for almost all of the Marvin haters and Smoove nuthuggers is this.. Marvin was drafted to high and he isn't Chris Paul. Smoove is local, flashy, and he won a dunk contest. So by that logic Smoove is a star and Marvin is a scrub. Thats where their entire love and hate relationship with these 2 players begins and ends. They ignor the facts that after all is washed out they both have strengths and weaknesses that actually make them about equally productive on the court.

GO DAWGS, SICK 'EM, WOOF, WOOF, WOOF! I bleed red and black and I have never been this excited about an upcoming season. We have a brutal schedule but team is loaded and well coached.

I grew up with Skip, Pete and Ernie. My dad passed away a couple of years ago and Skip was always his favorite. It makes me especially sad to think of all the games we enjoyed together as Skip made the Braves entertaining even when they were awful. Even as I grew up and left home when my dad and I would talk baseball many of his sentences would start with "Ole Skip said"...............RIP Skip and good bess your family.

Pretty good. The one person you have to add to the list is Walter. At one point a few years back Walt was the "anti Diesel". They would go at it for weeks on end. They had the most combative arguments in the history of Hawksquawk..

I find it funny how people on this board always bash Carmelo Anthony. The same people all hope and pray Smoove is the next Dominique. . The ironic part of this is that the player who most currently plays like Dominique did is Carmelo Anthony. Their games are VERY similar as well as how they are viewed around the NBA. Smoove will NEVER be the player Carmelo is. Carmelo is a very good, approaching great offensive player.

Diverse? What is diverse about taking shots you can't hit? Marvin simply plays within his strengths and Smoove doesn't.

This thread is crazy. You take a tiny sample size and then try to use it to bash some players and praise others. Here are facts. Smoove averages 17 a game taking 14 shots per game. Marvin averages 15 a game taking 11.5 shots a game. Smoove shots a great percentage inside 15 feet and is practically awful outside of 15 feet. Marvin is much more consistant but doesn't taqke the threes and doesn't drive the ball as much as Smoove.. It is obvious to me if you reversed the shot attempts Marvin would outscore Smoove by 3 or 4 points a game. Smoove is aggressive to the point of being boneheaded at times. He is a better rebounder simply by virtue of the fact he plays near the basket on the defensive end.. Smoove is a supreme shotblocker but is a turnover machine. Marvin takes much better care of the ball than Smoove. Here is where I blame Woody. Why can't he read these same stats and eliminate Smooves long distance shooting and give Marvin 2 more medium range shots per game? The Hawks would be a better offensive team if Woody would simply lay down the law. "Smoove..Take a 3 and you are benched" " Smoove..If you look at a wide open Marvin and shot a wild jumper yo are benched." It should be that simple.

I don't think we disagree and I don't think most here disagree that Marvin has flaws in his game. Marvin is decent spot up shooter. He has yet to add a long range shot and he is weak taking it to the basket. He is adequate defensive player. I do like him better at the 3 than Smoove. Smoove is a poor outside shooter and is reckless with the ball. In my opinion Smoove only needs to play the 3 if we sign a big with a decent midrange game so Smoove can stay near the blocks offensively.

I could see him being a nice compliment to Horf and Smoove since offensively he can play away from the basket and he is a good defensive rebounder. I would much rather have him than Solo who turns the game into a 4 on 5 on the offensive end.

I just read that the Clips have made him an unrestrcted free agent. I like his game and think he might fit well here in a backup role. He is 6'11 about 240 and can hit the 18 footer. He avereaged nearly 5 points and 4 boards in only 12 minutes per game. He might be a nice inexpensive backup 4/5.

Once again, whats your point???? Do you think if you bash Marvin on a daily basis he will take notice and change his game? Maybe Stern will notice and give us a do-over in the draft and we can take Paul? Why not just hope he continues to improve and support him since he is a Hawk. At least he chooses to play in the NBA instead of the Greek minor league.

I agree. He might as well just say "Got Nothin". Whats the point of these articles/blogs.

I don't quite agree with the premise of the original post but if you are going to talk about Smooves great play in games 3 and 4 I think we should also discuss him quitting like a dog in game 7.. Smoove has the talent but I wish he would take a dose of Horfords attitude.

I am saying having 2 or 3 that prefers to play near the basket can create bad spacing for big guys that also need to be near the basket..Anytime Chillz was in the game the spacing on the floor was bad.. Smooves bad shot selections are on him and Woody but having Chillz in there didn't help.

I agree this might be good for Marvin. Lets face it, Marvin was put into a very bad situation in Atlanta. Everyone except Billy Knight was screaming for a big or a point guard that year. He is drafted by a team that already has 2 2nd year players that think they are the Hawks small forward of the future. Then Chris Paul blows up almost immediately and that turns the pressure up even more. Then Smoove is put at the 4 but he obviously still tries to play like he is the 3. You have Chillz replacing you after the 5 or 6 minute mark of most every game. Thats alot for a 19 or 20 year old guy to have to deal with. Maybe now he will relax and just play his game and take it to the next level.

Ok, so Chillz is gone. Does anyone here want to focus on the basketball part of the equation? Chillz strengths were rebounding and interior scoring. When Chillz was on the floor with Smoove his need to play close to the basket forced Smoove to take his offensive game to the perimeter where he is much less effective. We replaced Chillz with Evans who is a better perimeter defender and a better shooter. Sure he won't rebound like Chillz but I think he is a better fit for the team as a whole. With Evans in the game Smoove can stay close to the basket where he is very effective along with Horf. From a purely basketball point of view were should be a better balance offensive and defensive team with Evans..Of course for this to work out we must either resign Smoove or get maximum value for him.

It would be a great PR move to bring Chillz back if Belkin finally wins his case with the ASG..

"Below the MLE is a lowball offer for a player who was in the running for 6th man of the year. Ginoboli, Barbosa, Gordon, Mike Miller, Jamison and Bobby Jackson all make more than the MLE. In some cases much more." Did Gordon sign? I don't think you can compare Chillz to Ginoboli or Jamison. They are much better players. To me the bottom line is the Hawks didn't show Chillz the love and he trumped them. I think their offer was fair but they didn't make him feel wanted. I also took from his interview he wanted to have a chance to start. That part goes straight back to Woodson and Knight for drafting the same positions over and over.

I listened to the entire interview and Chillz NEVER said they agreed to the 33 million deal. He said they offered it and he wasn't happy with it and the Hawks told him to go find a better deal. He said 2 championship teams offered much better deal in snt proposals but the Hawks never matched the better offer and didn't pursue the deals. .

I think both points of view have some merit. For instance, I truely believe if we trade Smoove for Odom we might very well be a better team next year. Odon is a guy that brings alot to the table, but in the back of our mind we wouldn't enjoy the winning as much knowing that he is going to leave at the end of the season. For me being a fan is not only winning but knowing the future is bright. With Smoove there is the hope that someday that light comes on in his head and he maximizes his talent and leads the Hawks to great things.

I like Tayshaun alot. I think his defense and smart play are the equal to Howards offense. The kicker to me is Amir. Bass is a nice bench player but there is not alot of potential there. Amir is a guy that COULD have a big upside and he has the size to play the 5 at some point.