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I did.

c'mon man, you don't know why?!? give me a break.. you know exactly why and it really has nothing to do with steriods.

I'm going to lump my replies to the first 3 or 4 responses into one, since they all apply.

I'm not sure when you last had to send your console in for repair, but the problems have been corrected and by all reports (or lack of) the issues have been solved by the new cooling system. For a while they were just refurbing systems and sending them out without anything "new" done to them simply becuase they didn't have a fix ready. That is not the case now or with new systems. This was a hot button issue for a few months there but since the new cooling system has been applied I haven't seen anything mentioned about it on any of the handful of gaming sites I frequent. I can only credit that to the cooling system fixing the problem as intended.

The system has a three year warranty and has only been on the market for two, so worst case you still have one year left on your warranty.

naturally there were systems already on the shelves that didn't have the new cooling system, but all new shipments (arcade, premium, elite and halo3 SE) have the improved cooling system. Also newer units are shipping with the .45nm processors which run cooler was well, which only helps. The original elites were identical to previous models with the exception of HDMI. They didn't use the new processor.

No worries man. You said nothing for me to take personally. I have similar discussions with gamer friends all the time and we have yet to come to blows.

for november in the US:

Wii - 950k

360 - 770k

PS2 - 470k

PS3 - 440k

That's just hardware units, not software or anything related. I didn't include the Nintendo DS, as it was the big winner with over 1mil sold.

actually the Wii is still several million units behind the 360 in the US. The ps3 only leads the 360 in Japan. It lags behind the 360 by 50% or more in Europe and the US.

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So you're saying he's like Kevin Garnett?

nope, it's nobody you've ever seen on TV or radio in this city unless she was sitting in the crowd when the camera panned by.

who do you think she was exactly? Go ahead and say, because I know without a doubt who she was.

can't wait!

see, this is where it falls apart. A message board? I think we've proven here that message boards aren't an indicator of fact. People will say what they want to say, true or not, especially if they have an agenda. You say you keep yours in a cool place, "just as most people do". How do you know that? You don't know that at all, you're just saying that for the sake of what you have to say.

It doesn't bother me because I know how electronics work and it's rare that they fail, barring heat issues, once they're working. Chips rarely just die. So when a device is failing because of heat and the cooling system is replaced with a better one, the unit should function normally for years to come. The fact that it is a refurb, ie. a unit that has been inspected and had any questionable components replaced before sending it out, doesn't mean anything to me or most consumers. They're not just taking one guys dead 360 out of the box, putting it in another box and sending it out to some unsuspecting schlub. They replace what needs to replaced and then the system has to pass the same tests that a brand new one passes before it gets sent out.

The problem was the cooling system. The units have been compared and the only changes were a better, larger cooling system. Also newer 360's are built on a smaller, cooler running CPU, which only helps.

the PS2 drive failure rate was very high. You tell me that my circle of friends doesn't represent much, but then because you don't remember the ps2 failures being big and yours has worked, then it must not have been high. I don't say this to suggest the ps2 was faulty, I'm just saying that it's not unheard of for products like these to have issues and Sony certainly isn't immune to them. Also, the originaly NES has a pretty high long term failure rate. Don't you remember blowing on those carts?

And i'm telling people that it's not a big deal. If you're buying a new one, the problems have been corrected and "just in case" the unit still has a 3 year warranty. Nobody likes having something they purchase fail, but it's nice when a company admits to a problem, fixes it and gives its customers a little extra assurance by extending the products warranty well beyond the limits of ANY electronics components on the market.

The ps3 isn't catching up. There are more exclusives for the 360 and many of the cross-platform games end up coming out on the ps3 weeks or months later than the 360 versions while also performing or looking "less" than their 360 counterparts.

My only point is that the 360 failure rates are simply overstated. Beyond that, the issues behind them have been corrected. The sales numbers support the notion that consumers aren't scared off and rightfully so. The 360 nearly doubled the ps3's sales, yet again, last month.

The nonstop trashing of Sothron is nothing but childishness. Information doesn't always pan out. I've posted stuff that came from good sources that didn't pan out. His sources are reputable, but nobody gets it right every time. I was told not long ago that Josh Smith's contract extension was all but done and then posted it here. Two days later we get an article saying that negotions were falling apart. Damn that source, internet glory was almost mine!

While all the kiddies were busy chasing him around the playground trying to wipe boogers on him, nobody seemed to mention Sekou's blog a few weeks back where he mentioned the team "playing like it wanted to get its coach fired". Woodson was even asked about it outright. Yah it could just be a coincidence, Sekou could have just noticed something...or maybe he overheard or was told something too..

dude, if you're not going to see it in 3d, don't waste your time. It's playing at the Barrett Parkway AMC in 3d. If you haven't seen current-gen 3d tech, it's an event.

dude send it in, it's under warranty. You're just cheating yourself. The problems with the things have been fixed, they'll put a new cooling system in it and you'll be right as rain.

is a clear example of why Atlanta sports and its fans aren't taken seriously...

oh absolutely! I've said all along that Sony has never had to face a competitor, in any of its markets, like Microsoft. Microsoft is unmatched when it comes to entering a market, learning it and then competing to win. It helps that they have the money to accept big losses the first generation or two (zune). The original xbox was their "learn the market" product and the 360 was their "compete to win" product. Basically everything that people had complained about for years with consoles, they sought to fix (bad dev tools, overly difficult architecture, etc), and it made all the difference.

The ps3 is now where it should have been a year ago. Honestly they would have been better off if they'd just delayed it until this holiday season. They could have spent that time polishing games (motorstorm, lair, etc) and launched with a legit list of really good games.

As it is they've got to make up for a year of nothing but bad press. It also doesn't help that it's still an overly complex system to develop for and has poor dev tools and to top it off, the system isn't any more powerful than the competition.

only time will tell, I certainly don't think they'll ever be the #1 console this generation.

300, Zodiac and TPoH are pretty much better than the ones you've seen. I can't believe you haven't seen 300. The movie should be seen in a theater first, period.

My list, in no order:

300 - great

3:10 to Yuma - very good

Sunshine - very good

The king of Kong - great

Superbad - very good

Eastern Promises - very good

The Wind the shakes the barley - very good

Zodiac - great

Knocked up - very good

Beowulf 3d - very good due to 3d, average without

Michael Clayton - very good

Going from memory so I'm sure there are others i've left off. Still got a bunch to see such as, the assassination of jesse james, the Darjeeling limited, Juno, sweeney Todd, no country for old men, The mist, etc etc etc

sounds to me like you dropped the ball for not sending it in like you should. You can't really [censored] much when they give you a warranty that goes beyond anything in the electrnoics industry and you fail to use it.

you would estimate 40% based on nothing tangible. Other armchair analysts have estimated 20-30%, but nobody knows for sure. In my circle of friends (and friends list) it's about 3%. I've had mine since launch and have had zero problems, but mine also sits in a cool, electronics friendly spot.

Of course they send a refurb. This is standard industry (electronics) practice and there's nothing wrong with it at all. I have a house full of refurb electronic components that saved me thousands of dollars vs. new and have worked perfectly for years. The problem with the 360's was the cooling system. It wasn't faulty components. The cooling system simply wasn't strong enough to handle situations where people placed it in a location without good cool air flow. For a while they were just sending out unmodified refurb units, because they didn't have a solution ready, but once they corrected the cooling system, which all new and recently repaird 360's have, the problems have practically disappeared. Beyond that, the system has a 3 year warranty, just in case, so it's a non issue to me. I bought it to play games and nothing on the market comes anywhere close to it in that respect.

It's not like the PS3 is flawless. The newer revisions are reporting much higher failure rates than the first model, but nobody knows what the % is for sure. I guess you don't remeber the ps2's year of DVD drive failures eh? It happens to every company eventually.

does it matter?

it would have to get into that $7-$10 range for me to care much. I don't think it'll get quite that high, but I wouldn't be surprised to see $5 in the near-distant future.

that's odd, because I know 10 local people who have them and only one has had any issues. His 360 was fixed and returned to him within 2 weeks as part of the extended three year warranty that EVERY 360 has. So I'm surprised to hear you say they refused to fix yours when the 3-year warranty extension is pretty much world-wide knowledge.

I dunno, i'm a pessimist for the system myself. I think they've pretty much ruined their chances this generation. I would like to give little big planet a try, but I won't buy a ps3 for that. Nothing else on their horizon stands out to me.

I'm willing to bet that before the day is out, someone will say that "orlando really just isn't as good as their record suggests".