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I don't think Moss or Brady deserve the MVP. Moss might make QB's look better, but Brady is also making Moss look the best he ever has. So it's a wash. Both certainly deserve mention.

Would Brady be closing in on breaking Mannings record without Moss? Maybe.. it really depends on the quality of the WR there. They always have VERY GOOD players everywhere, they just don't usually have an individually great player like Moss. YOu put Marvin Harrison, TO, or any of the handful of truely great WR's in the game on that team and I think Brady would still be doing what he's doing.

Both Moss and Brady deserve recognition for what they've done, but neither deserve the MVP. Brady has never been on a bad team and has always had decent number, though never great. He didn't start putting up GREAT numbers until he got a team that is stacked top to bottom with a legit great WR to catch his passes. To me that's like giving Kevin Garnett the MVP because he finally got spreewell and Cassell on his team and made it to the WCF.

I say Favre, Romo or even Manning because of what he's been able to do with a beat up defense and his best WR down for significant time. I also expect the Colts to beat the Patriots in the playoffs.

if we're handing out credit for how we've played so far, you can't be honest about it unless you include all those things.

AJ has stepped up, but other players have stepped up when he wasn't giving us much. Horford has been key in the paint and on the boards and his scoring helps. Marvin is a big part of it, as his consistency this year is important. Josh Smith, when he plays under control, is a nightmare to cover. JJ Is doing what he's always done for us. Everyone is playing their roles and we're finally see that there might actually be a method to Woodsons madness. I don't think it has anything to do with players buying in to what he wanted, I think they've always done that. We're just getting the level of play needed from our guys for what he wanted to do to even matter, on both sides of the ball.

saw this tonight and I liked it up until the last 20 minutes or so. I've read the book and its adaptations as well as seen all the movies based on it. Why can't they just stick to the story? Nearly every problem in every movie version could be fixed by sticking to the written story.... Prior to the last 20 minutes or so though, I liked a lot.

I agree on both. Vingh is just a big guy who is bigger from working out. LL didn't just blow up, he slowly went from string bean to thin and cut to where it is today. Plus he's always been a pretty big health/excercise proponent so I'd be shocked if he used.

I think it's been proven that resting guys isn't a key to success. It's all about momentum and you rest guys and you momentum could be gone for the season.

Accepting one job in principle and then changing your mind isn't the problem. The problem is when you go to the media and announce to the world what you're intentions are simply to buy yourself leverage. That's low rent, scumbagness.

Blank's statement afterwards makes it quite clear that if Blank had upped his offer, he likedly would have stayed with Atlanta unless Miami offered more. It went something like this:

Bill came to us at the last minute and said he was now considering an offer from the Dolphins, at which point negotiations broke down.

To me I take that to mean "Miami had made him and offer and he came to us at the last minute to see if we would beat that offer and I'm sick of being used by these people so I told him beat it".

He is because of what he did. A rapist isn't a rapist until he rapes someone.. Parcells didn't show what kind of man he is, or lack thereof, until he announced to the world that he was going to take a job and used another team to try and get himself more. Sure that's perfectly acceptable in our society these days, but it doesn't make him any less of a scum bag.

and yes, that's exactly what I am. I know what he would have done for our franchise and he screwed us. He showed his true colors, much like Petrino did. I'm pissed off about it, because he screwed my team, but I'm not upset beyond that because I now see what kind of half-man he is. He's low character.

And you can say you were talking about it weeks ago, but ESPN sure wasn't, or any other major news outlet. Parcell's going to a team in any role would be major sports news and as someone who watches and listens to sports all day, every day, I never heard a single word about it.

you really think they'd give up Davis just to get KG a friend who is nearing the end of his NBA usefulness?

BS, save your Miami fanboyness. When was this mystery miami offer announced? I don't remember hearing or reading about it and I'm pretty sure that news would have been as widely circulated as the Falcons was.

He was out telling people he was taking the Atlanta job and then turns and goes the other way after this sudden and mysterious Miami job pops up. When he goes out and tells reporters he's taking the job and then goes the other way, it's foolish to sit there and say he wasn't playing both sides. Arthur Blank made it more than clear that he tried that and Arthur wasn't going to get used by the fat ass gas bag any more than he already had. He's a scumbag and a liar and I wish nothing but bad things upon him and that team.

I did, and as my comments indicate, I felt it would eventually be more about Boston than Atlanta. No big deal. I left a pointer so people will find it.

Boston is all hype. They may come out of the east, MAYBE, but they'll never win a championship with that lineup. Buying teams is not the key to ultimate success. They've lost to every legit contender they've played and that's not going to change.

it was a big game for us, to move over .500 for the first time in nearly a decade, but it wasn't a big game beyond that. Miami stinks this season, they aren't just a good team that hasn't put it together yet. They are flat out a bad team.

I wonder if we could get Shaq from them from filler and maybe a pick?

I mean seriously, he was either playing us all along to get more money somewhere else or once they found out he was on the market, they offered him more money and like the scumbag he is, he tried to come back to Blank and get even more, after already agreeing in principle.

I wish festering boils and an epic case of the crabs on him...

I think it's a fantastic move. He's going to hire a coach and a GM that see things the way he see's things. He's the shaper of the vision now and he'll bring guys in who share that vision.

I'm ready for his personality here. He might not be a guy that anyone he's ever worked with liked, but they all respected the hell out of him. When you look at the list of guys that he broke into coaching, it's pretty much a who's who in the NFL today. His ability to evalute talent in both players and coaches seems pretty darned good.

be a man and say it!

I think the team he put together in Dallas is doing fairly decent so far...

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No, both Mcgwire and Sosa played the "I have no recollection of those events" line the entire time. Neither of them ever said "I did not use steriods". If you remember Mcgwire repeatedly said "no comment" and Sosa pretended he couldn't speak english. As bad as it made them look at the time, it was probably the smartest thing either of them ever did.

Palmeiro I don't know about. I remember his whole finger wagging thing, but haven't heard much about it since. Can't really comment on it any more than that.

As for Bonds, it doesn't have to be proven in court for them to charge (indict) him. They feel they have evidence to prove that he lied under oath, which is why they indicted him. He'll get his day in court.

yes why?

no, no it doesn't. The only reason you would need to ask yourself that question is if you're mentally incapable of understanding what perjury is.

HE LIED UNDER OATH.

The feds went after all of them, not just Bonds. Bonds was just the only one who was stupid or arrogant enough to get up on there and LIE. That's the only reason the feds bring people in for that type of questioning. So that they can see if they're going to lie on the stand so that if/when they get evidence against them, they have something to charge them with. As bad as Mcqwire and Sosa looked up there, they were smart enough to not lie.

The way you tell it, and it's been this way as long as you've been here, is that EVERY sport is full of mostly garbage teams and most of them are hardly watchable. You've said this about basketball, baseball and now football.

considering all of that, maybe, just maybe, you have unrealistic ideals about what constitutes a good team.

I was watching those games too and I remember both Bonds and Bonila being regarded as asses, even back then. I definitely wasn't the fan I am now nor did I follow the sport as closely as I do now. I also remember Bonds leaving the Pirates and there being a lot of local fans who weren't sad to see him go.

I also disagree about the media misreprensenting him. They don't alter the video to put that perpetual scowl on his face. They don't edit his comments as he's walking into the stadiums to make him sound standoffish and rude. That's just who he is and if you go back and find articles written about him by writers who cover his teams, they all say the same thing. The face he puts on for the cameras doesn't make him appear to be a nice guy and he's obviously a guy that doesn't care what anyone thinks about him.

he's been hated for years. It's nothing new. It's magnified now, but the underlying dislike of him has been there since his days with the Pirates. The source of it all is that he's a bastard to the people that project his face to millions and that bastardness rubs off.

And don't pretend that his federal charges have ANYTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ANYONE ELSE. You're trying to draw some kind of sympathy parallel between Bonds, who got on the stand and lied, under oath, to the feds, to a bunch of guys who have been caught using performance enhancing substanes. The only similarity there is that they all cheated, but that's where the similarities start and end.

I wasn't really asking a question, it was a statement, but you know it's not race or the record.

He's been disliked by fans and the media for years because he's a surly bastard. The media doesn't have to paint him any way because he's done that himself. Every time a camera was pointed at him and he was asked questions he's always come off as a bastard and that "leave me alone" attitude resonates right through the TV to the people watching. It's his fault and nobody elses.

you know who started the thread :P