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Not sure I buy what you are selling (and to be clear, this is my personal view and I am not intending to invalidate your position). OO played 80 games last season and had a full off-season for the first time to work on his game and yet he did not get better. Without question last season with the experience he received and the health he had coupled with the new better coaching should have been his springboard to a new level and he just did not make that leap. That to me is very worrisome for his long term outlook. Happy to be proven wrong.

I don't think it is an insult to OO to say he is not as good as Al. That is just a fact. I wish OO could be as good as Al or Bam but I just don't see it. For one thing he does not have, or at least has not to date evidenced that he has, the court vision or passing acumen those guys have.

I don't see how anyone could support having OO as the starter given his track record of getting hurt. He is almost guaranteed to miss 20+ games a year. The Hawks would absolutely need to have a guy behind him who is just as good, because otherwise you are setting the team up to be massively shorthanded during the prolonged periods OO is unavailable. Just think about going forward with a frontline of OO, JJ and Hunter. Realistically, how many games per season do you envision those three all being available? 40 games where all three are healthy at the same time? Would you take the over or the under? I would 100% support moving OO if the team could get a good return due to the fact that he has so far not been able to force the issue and take CC's job and the fact that he has a real availability problem.

If I were running the Hawks I would continue to view Gueye as a developmental prospect and thus would have no expectation he takes over a rotation spot next season. If he forces his way in great but I am constructing my team with the understanding he may give me nothing next season - he did not look ready in his limited minutes this season.

In addition, OO goes up to $14 next year I believe.

To be clear, Hollinger himself is not saying to trade Trae, he is passing along what he has "heard". Whether what he has heard is credible is obviously open for debate. Personally, I find it is unlikely they trade Trae. Given that, I hope they move Murray because to me running it back makes no sense at all unless the goal is to be mediocre.

Caption of that video is misleading since it shows highlights from multiple seasons (Ivey is in some of those highlights).

Big difference playing against a team that plays defense versus whatever it is the Hawks do. Hawks have an uncanny ability to allow average players have career days.

Guys like OO and Hunter are very difficult to rely on because they get injured so often. JJ concerns me in that regard as well. And in OO’s case he isn’t even playing a starter workload. How can you rely on him to play 30 minutes a night. I would be totally fine with packaging OO with DJM to get a better return and fit around Trae. CC I see as having low trade value so hard to move him in a deal that impacts winning.

Coby White sure seemed to forget that. He had no fear shooting from distance or going right to the cup.

In my opinion they are both first rounders in this weak draft.

I agree. Quinn has had 100+ games to see this backcourt won’t work. Time to be proactive and fix this.

Ware and Missi are talented but need substantial development. I doubt either will crack an NBA rotation for at least a year and a half, and more likely two years, after being drafted.

Hawks need to make some major moves this off season. Rolling it back plus some draft picks will not change the results. The fact that Bufkin.and Mo can’t get run over third stringers is not a ringing endorsement. Call me a hater but I do not see the upside in this roster.

For some reason I was thinking Jalen Hardy (g-league alum and now on Mavs) versus Jaden Ivey. My bad.