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Guys like OO and Hunter are very difficult to rely on because they get injured so often. JJ concerns me in that regard as well. And in OO’s case he isn’t even playing a starter workload. How can you rely on him to play 30 minutes a night. I would be totally fine with packaging OO with DJM to get a better return and fit around Trae. CC I see as having low trade value so hard to move him in a deal that impacts winning.
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Official Game Thread: Hawks at Bulls -- Play-In Game 1 of X!
Packfill replied to lethalweapon3's topic in Homecourt
Coby White sure seemed to forget that. He had no fear shooting from distance or going right to the cup. -
In my opinion they are both first rounders in this weak draft.
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Official Game Thread: Hawks at Bulls -- Play-In Game 1 of X!
Packfill replied to lethalweapon3's topic in Homecourt
I agree. Quinn has had 100+ games to see this backcourt won’t work. Time to be proactive and fix this. -
Ware and Missi are talented but need substantial development. I doubt either will crack an NBA rotation for at least a year and a half, and more likely two years, after being drafted.
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Official Game Thread: Hawks at Bulls -- Play-In Game 1 of X!
Packfill replied to lethalweapon3's topic in Homecourt
Hawks need to make some major moves this off season. Rolling it back plus some draft picks will not change the results. The fact that Bufkin.and Mo can’t get run over third stringers is not a ringing endorsement. Call me a hater but I do not see the upside in this roster. -
For some reason I was thinking Jalen Hardy (g-league alum and now on Mavs) versus Jaden Ivey. My bad.
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Chet peaked in college? His rookie year says otherwise from my perspective. Unless I am wrong Zach and Edey are the only two of those guys who suited up for a U.S. college program.
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My focus is on defense. Ideally I want a big and a big wing, at least one of which is ready to play as a rookie. Clingan is definitely a target but unfortunately I am expecting him to be gone before I get to make a pick. That said, I would be looking to move Murray in the off-season so the return on that trade may change what I do in the draft.
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C+ for Quinn from me. Injuries is the only excuse. Outside of JJ I am not seeing the player development - all the other recent draftees have either been injured or otherwise have not evidenced definitively that they can be reliable rotation pieces going forward. Bruno, Vit and the Mathews will go back to being third stringers once everyone else is healthy.
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I understand where you are coming from Quinn . . .
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To me that is a draft high on upside and low on on court contributions for at least a year or two. If I was the Hawks GM I want one of those first rounders able to play from day one. Maybe that is asking too much from this draft.
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So Hansbrough was not a better college player than 5th year senior Cam Johnson in your estimation? Hansbrough was player of the year and won a title for a reason. Also of note, that of the 4 UNC players drafted in Hansbrough's draft that year he had the shortest career of the bunch. And let us remember what Cam Johnson is - a decent rotation player with a nice outside shot and just enough defense. The Hawks could use him as an upgrade over Bey.
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Plenty of collegiate all-americans and players of the year that have done nadda in the NBA. Two recent Wooden Award winners are Oscar Tschiebwe and Luke Garza. Or look back a few years at Frank Mason, Tyler Hansbrough and Jimmer Fredette. Looking at the list of winners - Kevin Durant's freshman year was nuts!
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Official Game Thread: Celtics at Hawks (Monday)
Packfill replied to lethalweapon3's topic in Homecourt
While I think this is a great win I do not view any individual game as evidence of any specific long-term trend. In saying that, I note that with or without Trae this team is mid - and has been for a few seasons now (basically since they lost in the ECF finals). I am hoping DJM's opportunity to play point in Trae's absence and the spike in his numbers help inflate his trade value so the team can move him in the off-season for a better long term fit next to Trae. I still think that trade has to happen to move this team to the next level. I wish I felt differently. -
Official Game Thread: Celtics at Hawks (Monday)
Packfill replied to lethalweapon3's topic in Homecourt
Great win. -
If I were GM I would definitely be looking to move Murray in the off-season. I would also move Clint, but but I could only get negative value would move OO and draft a replacement (or get a replacement in a trade). I would also move Bogi before age craters his value if I believed Kobe or AJ are ready for a legit top 8 rotation role. I don't think a Trae and Murray back court gets us beyond mid unless one of our front court players develops into a superstar.
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A win is a win. Hard for me to not look at this game through the lens of two teams decimated by injuries and limping towards the finish with losing records and think - whichever team gets a bench guy on a hot streak wins this game. Good that it was the Hawks bench tonight with Bruno and Garrison. I don't think either of those guys are rotation players on winning NBA teams though, more guys who are on the bench to play a role in the wake of an injury to someone ahead of them on the depth charts. Vit might have a chance of becoming a regular rotation piece if he can get some consistency on his outside shot.
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I did not miss that. Holland is two years away, assuming he develops a reliable jumper, from being a useful rotation player. At that Clint and Horford are retired and the Hawks have no bigs and JJ’s new deal has them capped out.
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You could make an argument that winning a championship would have a much bigger impact on the value of the Hawks as a franchise versus the Celtics (since they already have some "championship" shine on their valuation) and thus it would be more lucrative in the long run for Ressler to make a big push for a championship to increase his bottom line. Now, is Brown the right piece? He is absolutely, in my opinion, a move in the right direction but probably not enough, when coupled with Trae and what remains of the Hawks team, to get the Hawks over the finish line. Maybe if JJ takes his came up another level they could get there, but that is asking a lot. I would go all in for someone like Tatum to pair with Trae but probably not Brown (just like I would not have done the Murray deal as I do not see him as the right fit).
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Can the Hawks afford two super max contracts and put a winning squad around those two contracts?
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Both of those guys are interesting. I think both guys have a chance but each will need some time to further develop - so I would not draft either expecting any significant contributions in year one (though with Quinn and his approach with rookies in the ATL they may not get the time no matter their level of readiness). Not sure I would draft two such players if I were the Hawks GM - I would likely lean into making one of those picks someone who can contribute soon. I still think the Hawks need to make a real effort to move Murray in the off-season to bring in a better long term fit next to Trae. The return on that trade would have a big impact on how these picks should be used.
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Honestly I am frustrated that the Hawks young guys are injured / unavailable and unable to take advantage of the playing opportunities available with the varsity guys on the shelf. Sucks to be losing but not developing.
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Losing to a team with three 20 year olds in the starting line up is rough. Ugh.
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The problem with some of the contracts the Hawks have, and have given out, is that the team is not winning. Someone putting up modest stats on a 60 game winning team is fine, because they are "contributing to winning." Do the same on a loser and those same stats seem hollow. Paying for wins is okay. Paying for empty stats is not.
