Royjr9
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young will be bad on defense, prolly will be injured a lot I don’t see that frame holding up over 82 games nor what ever playoffs you hope to make. He’s a talented passer but no I do not want him.
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Damn everyday I wake up to the same thing KB discrediting somebody because of some imaginary goal post that he keeps moving. In other news a lil off topic but Dwight is on the move to brooklyn. Kemp’s could be next which means we prolly could mo e Dennis if charlottes asking price is to high.
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1 hour ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:
It's going to be a lot of disappointed people around here when we take Trae Young.
Me for one.
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1 minute ago, NBASupes said:
I didn't mean to sound cocky or a know it all. But let's say I play 38 games at 34 MPG. I am a PF. I will be scored on. I could be AD, Draymond, etc. If I go out of my way to make a video showcasing when I do get scored him and NEVER showcasing when I stop or shut down the offensive player, you would think AD, Draymond, etc is a trash defender. A turnstile.
So when you see this:
0.79 ppp for his overall defense (74th percentile)
0.85 ppp for his spot up defense (69th percentile)
0.56 ppp for his isolation defense (83rd percentile)
0.46 ppp for his post-up defense (96th percentile)You are like, how is that possible. He's a scrub based on the video I've seen. That's because I went out of my way to damage or assassinate the essence of the player we are referencing. That's what I call a sucker move. You MUCH WATCH THE FULL GAMES! Nothing else will do unless you are at their practices, their workouts, their sessions, and get all the info you need to figure out what makes them great.
lol I’m out of likes but I agree with your premise. When ayton and donic go one and two bags should be the next best available.
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Out of likes but agree with most of what’s been said. Something about the kid just screams great player. I’m hoping the kings just want to get atl to trade up. I think donic will be alright but I have a feeling bagley will be better.
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53 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:
I disagree. You don't build "the team" until you get "the star player". Even the last time we tanked, we were trying to find that elite talent to build around, so we kept drafting SFs ( Josh, Chill, Marvin . . . and probably should've taken Brandon Roy as well ). Building the team leads a franchise into taking Shelden Williams, when they think they're good at the forward spots, but need a center prospect. We eventually used some of our "draft capital", and acquired the guy to build around . . . Joe Johnson. And while not a superstar, JJ was good enough to construct the team around.
I was all for starting Collins after he proved right away that he could play. Problem is that giving Collins too much time would've messed up "the tank". This season, I want that guy playing 30 minutes a night, so we can see exactly what he can do with extended minutes. The same goes for Bagley. If we take him, there's no reason why he shouldn't be getting the minutes he needs to really develop.
If neither of those guys look like they could get to that next level, and you see a kid in college who might be a better talent, you take that kid in the next draft. At that point, you can trade what you have now to acquire veteran pieces to compliment the up and coming star.
This is my thinking with the comment I made earlier.
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1 minute ago, NBASupes said:
That video went out it's way to find clips to showcase when he does get beat in the post. You can't be that bad and this is your results:
0.46 ppp for his post-up defense (96th percentile)
Since I actually watch Duke games unlike most here, he's always been pretty good for us in that area. That's usually not our problem. Our problem is communication and defensive awareness for the entire defense.
I’m so ready for the draft
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5 minutes ago, thecampster said:
No it "isn't" a win. They are knocking on the door of the cap (if they renounce their free agents they are just under the cap) and if they took on Dennis they would be dangerously close to the LT. Whereas the Hawks would be move up 2 slots in the lottery but also 3 slots in the second round and gaining an additional $15 million in cap space to chase free agents. By adding Ayton and another decent lottery pick (or packaging 16 + current players/next years picks to move back into the lottery, the Hawks would have a solid young core to attract playoffs ready free agents. Or by creating this "space", the Hawks could recoup those picks by taking on other people's salary for their draft selections.
Think of it this way....if you give up a player and are under the cap, you create space to sign a different player to replace him. If you are the Suns and take on Dennis, you are giving up the chance to sign someone else. You can't think of it as a 1 year scenario. The 3 picks + Dennis for 2 picks is actually a win for the Hawks because of what it clears for them to do later.
I could be wrong while I don’t think Dennis here for the long haul I think he is worth something. I know I’m not in a hurry to just give him away. the 16 might give you a decent haul but The point I’m angling at is the potential Memphis deal or Denver deal gets you more closer to what we may actually want.
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4 minutes ago, NBASupes said:
This would be an amazing night if this was to come true.
I know a little bit of everything. Although the simons kid is growing on me but he would be a stash that first year prolly get some run at the end of the year. If he develops as a pg might have something there in the future.
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17 minutes ago, thecampster said:
It would be more like
1+ 16 + minor salary dump for
Dennis + 3 +19 +30.
Ideally they would like someone to take Chandler but realize that isn't going to happen and stay in the top 5.
I would insist on more while I think denis has run his course I would insist on something else.
12 minutes ago, nathan2331 said:18 minutes ago, thecampster said:It would be more like1+ 16 + minor salary dump for
Dennis + 3 +19 +30.
Ideally they would like someone to take Chandler but realize that isn't going to happen and stay in the top 5.
Hopefully we'd counter with some future protected picks, but I'd be a fan of the move. I want to keep those picks, but it's still Ayton>everyone else for me.
This. Seems like they would win this trade as presented originally and I think ayton could be good.
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https://soaringdownsouth.com/2018/06/16/atlanta-hawks-final-mock-draft-2018-nba-draft-june-21/
bagley 3
brown 19
Frazier 30
melton 34
if the draft board fell as such I could live with it.
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Moore suggests the team could send the No. 1 pick to Atlanta for the No. 3 and Dennis Schröder if Phoenix wants to get creative. In addition to the top choice, the Suns own the No. 16, No. 31 & No. 59 overall selections. Here’s more from the franchise:
Now in this instance Schlenk should be tarred and feathered. Unless I’m missing something what would make this attractive.
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1 hour ago, nathan2331 said:1 hour ago, KB21 said:Here's the problem with this approach. You can say this about any young player you take in this draft. So, let's say the Hawks draft Marvin Bagley in this draft because of the perception that he is better than Collins, even though that perception is based completely on pre college hype rather than actual evidence. Next year, Charles Bassey comes out, who is a far more skilled player and better defender than Marvin Bagley. So, next year, are you taking Bassey because he is a better prospect?
At some point, you have to actually build a team. People want to convince themselves that Collins is not really a great prospect at this point because he was drafted 19th. If he had been drafted 5th, most wouldn't even consider replacing him with Bagley.
I agree with this completely. Collins has established himself as a future starter in the NBA at minimum. Taking Bagley when there are other players that fit would be minimizing somebody's potential. That's how you become the Sixers.
Drafting fit will get you in trouble more so than best player available despite what KB says. Okaker flamed out but then he wasn’t really given a chance and any hope he had of being decent eroded with him riding the pine.
1 hour ago, Flight said:The Sixers are in pretty good shape right now though lol I wouldn’t say I don’t wanna be in their situation.
You don’t skip over a Jayson Tatum because you have a Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart.
You mean Celtics but I whole hardly agree. Ainge is not to take a player because he has X. He prioritizes taking the best talent. And all last year you heard can’t miss and most complete. If you here those words you should be worried. I want the guy getting scrutinized cause they turn out to be pretty good.
23 minutes ago, Flight said:You realize that regardless of who you choose you still run the risk of going 5 years with a bottom of the rankings team. Contending for a championship takes a star presence, you can keep take the safe picks and build a team of solid players in their roles (which we’ve already done) but you’ll. Still most likely lose to teams with star players on them.
This. Sometimes you got to swing for it. Which is why I have stated wether they take bagley or jjj I will be fine. But I also don’t agree with the notion that Jjj is a safe prospect like many claim.
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1 hour ago, KB21 said:
Here's the problem with this approach. You can say this about any young player you take in this draft. So, let's say the Hawks draft Marvin Bagley in this draft because of the perception that he is better than Collins, even though that perception is based completely on pre college hype rather than actual evidence. Next year, Charles Bassey comes out, who is a far more skilled player and better defender than Marvin Bagley. So, next year, are you taking Bassey because he is a better prospect?
At some point, you have to actually build a team. People want to convince themselves that Collins is not really a great prospect at this point because he was drafted 19th. If he had been drafted 5th, most wouldn't even consider replacing him with Bagley.
Has nothing to do with him being drafted 19th. Can you honestly say you will be winning a championship with Collins. Like I said no hate he’s good and all but it’s not like he went all Lebron and is untochable. Completion breeds excellence. And I see neither losing value as you can move anyone of them for the right price. That’s why I asked the question I asked. Prince ancd Collins are great but are we building around them or hoping they fit around who we take.
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4 minutes ago, nathan2331 said:18 minutes ago, EazyRoc said:He’s hard as hell to project because it’s just not a lot of tape against college comp. I think people count him out because of it, myself included. There’s no doubt he has the tools to be an effective scorer as a combo forward. I also think he could probably play both forward positions. He’s not a liability at either, but not great either. I wrongly accused him of being a below the rim player. It would’ve been more accurate to say he’s too much of a finesse player at his size and physical profile. He gets too cute at times offensively. His effectiveness at the pro level is entirely dependent on him staying healthy and improving his ball handling.
I just don't see how he makes sense for the Hawks. He's got major injury concerns, he doesn't do much besides score and he doesn't score that efficiently. Every time I watch clips, he looks okay, but its nothing I'd draft him on. Then factor in the fact that he's a SF/PF tweener when we already have Prince and Collins and I get even more confused. If he was clearly the best prospect then I'd agree we should take the best player available, but all these prospects are close.
If we somehow move up and he drops I’d role the dice but yeah.
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19 minutes ago, ggp said:
As a casual fan, I have a lot holes in my knowledge, so I am asking this question:
Where does Trae Young rank, compared to the PG's of the past ten drafts?
If he ranks in the top three, then, in my eyes, he is worth the 3rd pick.
Really projects as a one way player, high usage player. He pass well though, not a guy that should go top 5 let alone ten.
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3 hours ago, nathan2331 said:
Why do folks like MPJ so much? What am I missing? Every time I see him I'm not that impressed. His number don't even suggest he's that good. He seems like a volume scorer that doesn't even consider his efficiency. I want to call him RJ Hunter but that such a lazy, bad comp.
He’s talented. He’s melo basically from the stand point that he needs to buy in to the team concept. He would put up crazy numbers though.
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1 hour ago, benhillboy said:
This may be a stupid question but why are we looking at 4s with Collins anyway?
It’s not popular opinion but while Collins is decent. Is he a player that will be an al time great prolly not. He’s a solid guy but I’m much more positive on a couple other guys ceilings.
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Just now, NBASupes said:
It's hard to say. Collins and Prince will never be cornerstones. There just guys abit good ones till with get the cornerstones.
That's what we hope to get with this draft. Cornerstones.
That’s my thinking which is why I wouldn’t draft based on fit per sey. Then it would be bagley, donic, Bamba, jjj, SGA and Walker.
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24 minutes ago, NBASupes said:
I prefer who fits this personnel more than who fits Collins and Prince more.
Our personnel is Dennis/Bazemore/Prince/Collins
For the group: None of the PG's of course.
1. Bagley - No legit offensive weapons at this stage. Bagley is the best by a mile and would really help carry the load on offense.
2. Bamba - Because his shot blocking translates the most. He's still raw so his impact will be lukewarm
3. Carter Jr- Gives us the scorer and post presence that the others lack but ceiling isn't that high.
4. JJJ- If he develops, I am thinking he could be Larry Sanders with a jump shot. That's my hope and that's a very valuable NBA big.
5. R. Williams - I think he's a good fit with Collins and Prince, not so sure about his fit with Dennis and Bazemore. Maybe he needs a better PG than Dennis. One who excels at creating from the PnR for others.
This. But my question are prince and Collins corner stones or role players.
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1 hour ago, capstone21 said:
Ugh, I just hate the thought of drafting him
Me too.
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3 hours ago, DBac said:
IDK what Troy Brown is. But nice to have big wings that can handle the ball and pass.
Considering who we will be going against in the future he wouldn’t be a bad guy to have around.
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Just now, Dragitoff said:
I knew what you meant. I think Pop definitely retires after next season if Lavar and his son get traded to the Spurs.
Yeah kinda a bummer the whole kawhi situation and then his wife. Prolly takes a step back .
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I mean imagine the pop vs lavar statements. Damn spell check
My Problem with Trae Young.
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Your making that up. People say he will just shoot quicker naw they better pray that Some body over rules somebody. And yes him and paul are the same size but one actually plays d the other not so much. And sorry teammates I’ve seen guys at smaller schools carry there team offensively and still do better defensively than this kid did.