JeffS17

Heat, Nets, Raptors

Love these suggestions -- I think people here underrate Reaves and how much Trae would elevate him. He puts a lot more pressure on the defense than DJ and would probably open up CnS opportunities for Trae. Herb Jones is the golden goose of this list of course, but savvy moves around the edges to get better roster fit could go a long way next year. Look at these playoffs right now -- just getting a top 6 seed is enough to give us a chance if we have a roster that fits and has chemistry.

You guys realize the NBA is a business, right? With the exception of just 1-2 owners, all of them are here to make money. The faster everyone here moves from denial to acceptance on this, the quicker we'll be able to have productive conversations around ways to move forward that don't include going into the tax for John f*cking Collins or throwing a tax bag at Matisse 5 ppg Thybulle

Trading DJ to the suns makes no sense for them, though. Now they have all their eggs in three guards, with a horrendous front court. That roster construction might be worse than what they have now... a trade that would make more sense for both teams, but will likely never happen because Book is their franchise player And Trae ours, is a Book/Trae swap. That fixes both rosters: gives us a true SG with Murray, gives them an all-star PG to pair with KD, lets Beal play more off-ball, etc.

Do you think Trae is a diva and acting completely entitled after we gave him the keys to the city, marketed him heavily propping up his image and brand, ended the tank early for him, aggressively put together a roster that made the ECF, and gave him DJ Murray at his request? A simple Yes or No please.

Yes

This comment absolves Trae of any responsibility. But anyone that understands power dynamics and nuance understands he has influence and should be at least partially accountable. If Trae wants to leave as soon as things get tough, imo he should just leave. I'd rather not have a diva/quitter on the team eroding the lock room culture.

So just to be clear, you guys are all saying Trae will leave unless he gets what he wants, and then when he gets what he wants, it's ownership/front office fault? That's what already happened with the DJ trade. Some real astounding mental gymnastics happening here.... yall both blame the front office for not making Trae happy and also blaming them when they make a move to make Trae happy lmao.

Imo Trae and his camp (read: his dad) will be in for a world of hurt when they realize there is not another franchise in the league that will give him the free reign Atlanta has. I doubt most teams would even want him for any kind of reasonable price with the exception of some bottom feeder teams that need butts in seats, i.e Pistons. I waffle on whether I want to move forward with DJ or Trae, and I think it makes the most sense to move DJ, but there is definitely a part of me that struggles to see a championship path with Trae on a 35% of cap max in 3 years.

I mostly agree with you but it is nice to have guys that can contribute on rookie scale deals. We have never been able to sign great vet mins so it helps with depth.

I'd take our situation 10 times out of 10 over the Suns who are balls deep into the tax with a complete albatross contract with a NTC in Beal (who is completely redundant with Booker), and an over the hill KD. And they do not have any of their own picks until the next decade lol... Our season was disappointing but getting swept in the first round and having no control over your future with that chemistry-less roster would be depressing.

Yep, the guy cannot stay in shape to save his life, which is why he plays a tired, flustered, foul-baiting, dirty game in the playoffs

I'll be surprised if he gets a max deal. Teams are not giving those out like candy anymore, given the new CBA and the implications of going above the apron. Any GM watching the playoffs right now can just look to that $50M performance by Bradley Beal last night to see why it's not a good idea to reward high usage mediocrity.

Right, that's an enticing deal but CJ is just bad salary and Herb, while a great POA defender, cannot do much on offense. Not even close to equitable for Trae Young, particularly when you consider you're about to pair him with Zion. You saw Herb's limitations in the post season as he struggles to create for himself or others (like 2 assists : 3 turnovers per game) and is mostly a spot up shooter. Maybe if you do a Griffin/Murphy III swap as well it's fair value. Or let us dump Clint over for Vuc or Nance. HAs to be something more

Bogi Bogi Dre Bogi has intangibles that few on our squad have— super competitive, loves big moments, plays aggressive, and can shoot. Dre has none of the above but he can play in a lot of different lineups and serves an important role thats hard to find. Wish he played aggressive but thats just not who he is— guy can barely pull down 2-3 boards a game CC has no role on our team at his price and lack of skillset. Trae cant even help him anymore as he has brick hands and has declined hard and fast..

I dont really think Ingram is gonna get a 35% of the cap max deal so i disagree with the premise, but making the trade would probably still be worth it to give the team a year run with him. Whole roster would fit significantly better and we would have more options how to move forward. This team is not one DJ trade from being a contender so we gotta make positive incremental steps to build one. This would be in the right direction

Its a question that is interpreted as “players i dont like”. Jordan Poole is on the list and no one rates that guy in the top 100 lol

Take away the pick swaps and i don’t hate it

Those conversations will start this summer, though. So it makes sense why he would be starting to change his representation today.

I think this is true for the elite stars in the league (Lebron, Steph, Jokic, etc.) that can get whatever they want, but my guess is the next contract negotiation with Trae could be a little sticky. Giving him a super max 35% of the cap is pretty crippling to roster building for a player that has so many specific roster needs around him (shooting, length, defensive anchor, defensive wings...). I wouldn't be surprised if he gets less than a max length max contract deal (with a player option in year 5). If he does get that, I'll know the Hawks aren't serious about winning and just want to sell tickets through the centennial yards project someone here has brought up a few times.

Is this for all games or just games both DJ and Trae played? Cus obviously DJ gonna be in more lineups as he played 2783 minutes to traes 1942....

You cannot say this with any confidence whatsoever; all these franchises' financials are private.

Imo Quin starting CC has more to do how useless CC is with the bench unit. He cannot do anything on offense without Trae spoon feeding him buckets, which he fumbles half the time anyways. IMO CC is basically an extension of Trae on the floor so they have to share minutes, and OO not starting has way more to do than CC's flaws than his own ability.

OO has been adding range to his offensive game every year, he's switchable on defense, he has excellent defensive instincts, and he seems to want to be here -- why the hell would you guys want to trade him? Everyone here constantly clamors for a stretch 5 and as soon as we have one that almost developed, we want to trade him? Not to mention he's elite finishing around the rim, which should not be underrated for a center starting with Trae. All of the above does not even speak to the fact we have him on a ~$15M/year contract. He will very likely be one of the best value centers in the league in the next 3 years. Who would you guys rather have at center for $15M or less? Holmes? Zubac? Wagner? Adams? There is no one. Also, OO didn't get to play in the physical defense second half of the season where he would have been thriving. Selling on him now would be a huge blunder.

I agree with you. It makes sense for them to shop Trae around in either case. If they are actually considering trading him, you have to see what kind of value you can get back. If you want to trade Murray, it's helpful to drive a narrative that you'd rather keep him, to make sure you're getting other teams' best offers. I'm guessing we will keep Trae and get what we get for Murray, but I do genuinely believe there's a possibility we move forward without Trae.