JeffS17

Why would I push for Trae to get traded lol. I'm simply looking at the evidence that keeps coming in... I don't have strong feelings one way or the other with a slight preference to keep Trae.

As this is worded, it has to be posturing. There is no better fit with Wemby than Trae Young... I could see the Spurs FO not wanting Trae for other reasons as he's not your typical Spur culture type of player, but to say they see DJ as a fit more than Trae is wild.

He has sources lol he's not writing fan fic

Another source that thinks were more likely to trade Trae.

I think we already have made the major moves to turn things around, even though we didn't see it in the results this year. I never expected the team to adopt Quin's system smoothly and effectively in the first season -- it took Utah a while for the core players to get chemistry and perform well. The coaching staff we have is very good and we have a great development program in place in College Park. The only thing we have dragging us are some nasty contracts Schlenk extended (unforced errors imo) in Capela and Hunter. Once we unwind the DJ trade, we will be on a good path. Landry has been signing reasonable, if not team friendly, extensions, and he's been making prudent moves. I think we're on a good path for the next 1-3 years.

Really hope we draft this guy to extend this debate another 4 years

Snyder is the most influential person in our org right now in terms of roster decisions and the reports coming out are that Trae is being shopped to assess his value. You don't need to rely on that article to know that Snyder is not all-in on Trae as the future centerpiece.

Yes, I know, most here pick and choose the credibility of the article based on how much they agree with what is written. Not exactly a unique phenomenon to HawkSquawk, but that is clearly what happens here. It's actually very intuitive and how thing always work in the professional world. People serve their own interest and being openly negative about someone serves zero self-interest. Being openly positive about someone, particularly a teammate, is very much aligned with self-interest. The crazy thing is quoting a current teammate as a solid source of "is Trae is a good teammate" lol... only an unhinged toxic locker room guy would trash a current teammate. Just imagine if you were asked publicly about a coworker and if they were good or not -- most people are going to answer positively in a very public forum regardless of how they feel about the person.

Heurter complained about Trae (in his own diplomatic way) not sharing the ball, playing selfishly. He was very positive about Collins in the same podcast so the disparity in his messaging on each of them was very clear. I think this was on Zach Lowe's pod but I cannot remember.

"Starting with the locker room, it's no secret there's a serious disconnect between Young, the team's star player, and many -- though some say nearly all -- of his teammates. He is not beloved, sources say, and there's a strong view that Young fails to lead, to understand or care to understand what is required of him, and that as a result the team will never achieve what it should until that reality is fixed." Here is a sourced article from a year ago, if that is what you're asking for.

There have been plenty of articles written about Trae in the locker room (think winter '22/23 time frame) and you guys dismissed them all, just as you're dismissing me right now. What evidence would actually change your opinion? Heurter made small comments as well after he left and so did JC...

40 games of watching and observing his behavior with teammates throughout warm ups, timeouts, on the bench, stoppages, etc. I hope I'm wrong and like Supes says, his teammates love him. That's just not what I see though. I get that it's sacrilege to say anything negative around Trae here, but I was hoping there was room for evidence-based opinions.

You know all the talk Landry has done about having "Hawks DNA"? To me, this is the front office saying Trae does not have "Hawks DNA". I've talked ad nauseum about Trae's attitude issues, his issues dealing with refs, and his general disconnectedness from the team -- I would wager that is why, if these reports are true, we are shopping him to see what we could get back.

Pretty sure we can all stop dreaming about Herb Jones -- literally every team in the league could use that guy, the hardest type of role player to find (lock down defender and good shooter) and he's on a ridiculously team friendly contract. He might be the most valuable player in the league. And he's under contract through 2027. No way NO has him on the table for anything other than a blue chip two-way superstar

If anything, this signals we're more serious about going into the luxury tax and want someone on board to manage that. You don't need a cap expert to stay under the tax, but it would be very useful to have someone deeply understand (and be able to project forward) the ramification of each apron, the repeater, etc.

Keeping Trae or Murray could both be the best path forward. All depends on what teams are willing to give up for both and what timeline we put ourselves on. The hauls rumored for Murray at the deadline were pathetic though, and teams usually trade hauls if picks for superstars, not loads of talent… tough path either way.

That is pretty egregious, the obvious narrative is we miss after making three straight…

I think the decision to keep Murray or Trae is going to be closer than most here think, and the direction we go could come down to what offers we get for each.

Garrison only player in + for the night, all you haters getting silenced!!, Trae -30 right now is pretty rough, most of the squad in single digits. Trae is playing really poorly and it's not because his shots aren't falling. His left pinky finger isn't making these poor decisions so coming back "early" from injury is not really an excuse tonight.

Rust from Trae being out 6 weeks is showing... he didn't get a chance to assimilate to the physical play theyve been allowing and are this game as well.

How can you ask for anything more than working every deal as hard as possible? It's unfair criticism and the type of results-only thinking that leads to front office and coaching carousels >>> endless mediocrity. It's the exact type of thinking that leads to forced trades where we overpay (Murray). We need less of that, not more. Unless you're suggesting Landry had a reasonable deal on the table and for whatever reason did not pull the trigger?

This first gif is exactly how I remember those Jazz teams. Just working/exhausting defenses for better and better shots until they had a dunk/layup or open three. There were so many good looks created in that one gif. Gobert had a free dunk under the basket, there was a high percentage paint shot, open floater, could have side stepped a three, etc.

It feels like a lot of coaches use pace as a band-aid for roster issues they cannot solve with scheme, so it makes sense to me a lot of the faster paced teams are underperforming. Teams that play really slow are likely leaving easy buckets on the table and not taking advantage of transition in a lot of cases, and teams that find the happy medium know when to push pace and when it settle down. It's, of course, hard to make much of averages of averages, but that would be my summary. For the Hawks, we are built to be a half court team. Trae is tiny and not great in transition because he usually can't go to the rack himself, which makes things easier to defend. JJ is the only real +player we have in transition imo. We excel in half court battles because Trae can break down the defenses routinely and Clint/Hunter are significantly better when the defense is set.

This roster is so stacked lol will be fun to watch these games

Foundational. We spent the first half of the season learning-- constant miscues on defense, lapses in motion on offense, some regression into Nate ball at times, etc. Towards the back half of this season, I think the team started gelling and we started seeing the fruits of Quin's schemes (and the adjustments he and the staff made). I think we can hit the ground running next year and see a good improvement, even without major roster changes. I always felt like years 2-4 under Quin would be where we can really judge him as a coach.