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Bogi just signed that big extension. Doubt he’s going anywhere. I don’t even know if he is eligible to be traded right now.

Also very interested in seeing how JJ comes back this off-season

So natural question is who, besides Trae and Clint, fits the stated criteria? Maybe Hunter?

This rumor means nothing and the Lakers have zero to offer… BUT Trae has also wiped his Instagram. So probably nothing but maybe something?

I like Duarte and McConnell, LOVE Sengun. Wonder if Capela and first would get us Sengun plus fillers (hopefully not including Porter Jr.)

Reaves is a good role player but he’s still a role player. Harden has given up on winning and just wants one last major payday. Someone desperate will pay him but the days of him being what he was are long gone. The language framing it like he just couldn’t play his game is agent speak.

Reaves is gonna get overpaid to go be diet Duncan Robinson somewhere. Probably in LA.

I’d give HOU JC and Capela for Sengun and Smith straight up.

I just came to say Ben Simmons was always ass.

@Diesel it’s not a bad thing to not pass the ball to guys who aren’t going to do anything good with it. Every great player would say the same thing and in fact Gilbert Arenas said as much on his podcast this week. if PGs are your chief decision makers it’s their job to make something GOOD happen with the ball. In Trae’s case there just aren’t many good options when he’s not facilitating. It’s not his job to develop his teammates. But the answer the question I think Trae would’ve kept Josh from doing as much dumb stuff with the ball.

Also glad Trae wants nothing to do with Ayton cause *yuck*

The fact that a 37 year old Al Horford outplayed 25 y/o John Collins head to head is infuriating.

@NBASupes you mean the Joe Johnson Hawks or the Boston team that had Isaiah Thomas as its leading scorer? Because while he was a leader on both he was the best player on neither.

@NBASupes Horford was a contributor on those teams but I wouldn’t give him too much credit for those ECF appearances. In Boston/Philly he was able to slot in as a solid role player, which is what he always was. In Atlanta he would’ve been paid and expected to lead those teams as it’s star player. Different expectations.

Horford since leaving Atlanta: 1 All Star appearance, Zero All NBA, Zero NBA Championships. He owes Atlanta half his salary for helping hype him up. I think we made the right choice.

@Phunkabilly I think you’re missing the point. The question isn’t whether he is at his best as an individual talent. It’s about how he contributes to this team winning. He could get better. But most NBA players aren’t getting significantly better 5 years into their career and 100% of their skills degrade as they age. For a player who has been injury prone the odds are he isn’t going to become significantly better.

Reality is, I think it’s more practical to trade CC because he’s probably more valued right now. But it also makes us significantly worse.

@Diesel do you see that being better or worse in an offensive system where your 4s are expected to be floor spacers? If worse, then we know who doesn’t fit.

I’ve seen it stated that playing next to CC is impacting his rebounding numbers as well, which is true. But his rebounding this year was down a full rebound over the last two seasons and that’s with him playing more minutes next to OO who is more of a perimeter threat. Plus after several seasons playing together you would think their fit would get BETTER with time, not worse. CC has just been more impactful on us winning as he increased our defensive ceiling (compared to JC) so you can’t reasonably justify keeping John over him.

There’s a lot of debate on whether to keep Collins or not and most of the reasons center on him being likable or a leader or make excuses for his lack of production. Reality is, while he’s young, he’s just overpaid, underproducing, injury prone, and getting worse every year. The debate on whether to keep him when coupled with this reality is based more on sentiment than production. Collins is what he is. A scheme limited PNR 4 who can occasionally step out to 3 and a be good help defender. He’s a declining rebounder, not a true stretch 4, can’t create off the dribble (although he’s gotten better) can’t score on smaller guys consistently in the post and isn’t strong enough to consistently hold up as a post defender to ever be a small ball 5. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t have value, just not for this team or this system. Cut bait. if you don’t like Harrison Barnes that’s fine. He was awful in that finals series but has been a winning player in his career, is a solid perimeter defender, and fits our team needs better than Collins. I also like Trey Lyles as a guy with plus upside.

Collins is this board’s sacred cow. We are a team of fans who overvalues our talent. To get great will require cutting ties with some likable players. Other teams don’t give away good talent for scraps. That said, a blockbuster trade isn’t necessary and there should be some good players available on the MLE and FA market if we can free up some space. Some small tweaks (mostly shooting and leadership) would take this team a long way. Here’s my list of priorities 1. Signing some vet leaders, 3 and D wings (guys like Terence Ross, Matisse Thybulle, Jae Crowder, Ingles, Jalen McDaniels are all available. HELL no to Dillon Brooks, we don’t need machismo we need leadership. Big difference) 2. Trading Collins/Fixing the front court (Trey Lyles, Harrison Barnes, possibly moving Hunter as upgrades) If we do these two things we are a 50 plus win team next year. If we see guys like Hunter develop some consistency we might push ourselves into contender status.

This is really a question of which two fit best. Dre would benefit from playing beside a true floor spacer (3 or 4) and a defensive big. Collins needs an big who can stretch the floor and still rebound (because he doesn’t anymore) and Capela is Capela. He can play beside either so long as the 4 doesn’t crowd the paint. Because of that, Dre and Capela are the easiest to build around. JC has to go because his contract doesn’t match production and his skillet, is hardest to find a fit around.

The only thing Dillon Brooks does better than Hunter is talk and poke bears. Can’t shoot, doesn’t rebound, overrated defender. HELL no.

I also definitely want absolutely nothing to do with Ayton. My God he would be a disaster here.

This is off topic but watching this Nuggets-Suns game Aaron Gordon has carved out a nice role for himself.