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lmao that shot by Lo might have been the ugliest shot ever

And dawgs are playin Gonzaga right now on ESPN2

I still say there's at least a 50/50 shot BK drafts another forward, it's almost as if he does it just because people say that he won't. He seems to be one of the most big headed gm's in the league. Remember that BK likes to refer to them as "basketball players", he has no concept of position.

I've always liked Earl. Only I'd rather trade someone other than Solomon. How old is Earl and what does his contract look like? I can't believe we wouldn't do the Harrington for Nene and Earl last year, we could've let Nene go he's horrible.

I was dying laughing as I typed it lol

shooting 4-11..

Fast break is the only way that this "no offense" team can score, but we insist on walking it up the floor and waiting for a nonshooter to jack up a shot or turn it over. What was all that talk about Speedy always pushing the fast break, and loves to run the break? His agent must have been a damn good salesman.. PS. All Marvins points were during garbage time against the Knicks scrubs..

Speedy claxton

Well I think it has to do with Woody's offensive scheme, but it's also that we have no offensive players that can score, which both combine together for an EVIL looking offense. Our starters right now are Speedy, Ivey, Smoove, Marvin and Zaza. Not ONE can actually score (or shoot for that matter). Marvin is nowhere near ready, Smoove is a do everything else type of player, Ivey is a defender, Speedy is a defender, Zaza is a TO machine. There really is no reason to blame Smoove for taking open shots (right now) because who ELSE is going to shoot? I don't even blame Zaza because someone has GOT to create something. I'd rather rely on Zaza and Smoove trying to score than Speedy, Ivey, Shelden, Solomon, Bozeman, Freije and all the rest of the non offensive scrubs or young guys we are throwing out there. Salim right now is our only real scorer, and that's just sad. We have to rely on a 2nd rounder to give us offense, and that's just unacceptable. Combine that with Lue's recent slump and that's the worst offensive team in the league. If only we had a pg that could make our teammates better (sigh Chris Paul).

Don't pg's average more TO's than sg's?

whatever believe what you want, I'll believe what I want, although it's pretty obvious he isn't a cancer. I'm done, you are saying the same things everytime. Funny you don't take assists into account, as AI averages more than any of those, guess that doesn't account for anything.

JJ is a career 44% shooter! nuff said. Since Shaq has left, Kobe is about a 43-44% shooter. McGrady is career 44%. Pierce is a career 44%. That's FACTS are they all cancers too?

lmao JJ is a career 44% shooter. Second JJ has only played 18 games this year, let him do it a full season first. Last year he shot only 45%, and that was with another scorer in Harrington. Most star guards don't shoot 50% or better, other than MJ it is just extremely rare. BTW Philly is currently getting spanked by Boston (horrible team) without AI, and shooting a whopping 39% as a team. Webber is 4-17, but hey! He got his 11-10 double double!

Don't even know why I'm responding to this, because you aren't coming up with any good points. Lets see, Stackhouse shot 40.7% during the 96-97 season. HORRIBLE. Averaged 3.1 assists. Iverson shot 41.6%, and averaged 7.5 assists, and also averaged MORE REBOUNDS (Stack is like 6" taller), this is Iverson's ROOKIE season. It's pretty clear who the better player was. Besides, when has Stackhouse EVER been considered a good team player?? BTW during Stacks scoring title year he shot 40%!!! How is that good for a scoring title player?! Also averaged over 4 TO's per game! The reason they made the trade was obviously a good one. Because they won like 20 somethin games with Stack and Iverson. They traded Stack for Mckie and Theo which got them to the playoffs. They then traded Theo to us for Mutombo to get to the Finals. I'd say they made the right decision in trading Stack. BTW I'm done with this, it's obvious you don't care about this you just don't want to lose an argument, so you have resorted to calling the current C-Webb and Stackhouse to good supporting players. Which is rediculous, who's next Big Dog?

Quote: Which just proves that AI did have a legit, and young, second option to play with and they shipped him out. I wonder why. Dude Stacks numbers IMPROVED in AI's rookie year, which was the ONLY season AI ever had a legit scoring option. So you are saying AI should have taken them to the finals in his rookie year? And Stacks soph? They traded him at the beginning of the next season.. that's on management not AI. Quote: And a young player improving isn't exactly news. Just look at JJ. Wow you just killed yourself here. Basically what you are saying is that JJ has improved since his rook and soph years. EXACTLY! Are you saying JJ is the same player NOW that he was in Boston?? Because that's what you are saying about Stack in Detroit compared to his 1st and 2nd years! Stack was a better player in Detroit, like JJ is in Atlanta. Quote: So don't try to say AI has never had a legit second option. They had a young Stackhouse and Hughes that they could have kept, but didn't. Again 1 season, his ROOKIE year. Noone is taking their team to the championship in their rookie season. Hughes had one good season, it was in Washington.

Quote: So why did they trade for him if he sucked? Did you SEE what they traded for him?? Kenny Thomas as the best player?? I'd have done that too. Besides most Philly fans actually REGRET it and blame King for that mistake, being that he makes 20 million. Quote: When Webber came to Philly AI said he was the best player that he had ever played with. Career wise yes. Quote: I am not really a Webber fan at all but I have a major problem with people disrespecting a guy who has averaged 20/10 for his career, and did it again last year. Players like that are rare. I'm not disrespecting him, I agree he is a great player for his career. However the Webber that played with AI is NOTHING compared to the one that played up until the 01-02 season. Quote: Sure he is past his prime but people are acting like he is garbage. Nobody was saying that before he went to Philly. Way past his prime. And yes they WERE saying that before he left Sac, I remember watching him and saying damn he's lost a LOT. Why else would they trade him for Kenny Thomas as the head of the package? Quote: None of those guys are even playing now lol. They are all injured. And Tmac plays for Houston. Exactly, injuries are what have affected their careers, just like with Webber. T-mac will get it going though.

Quote: Stackhouse won one in Detroit. 4 years AFTER he left Philly. Stacks numbers actually went UP the season they drafted AI. Did you expect Stack to get a scoring title in his rookie or sophomore year? How many people do that. He was NOT a scoring champion while in Philly, although still a good player who IMPROVED the season they drafted AI. BTW what was Detroits record the year Stack won the scoring title? That's right, 30-52, while that SAME season AI was in the NBA Finals.

Quote: When your argument gets punk'd, argue something else. I see you have been taking lessons from one of the other posters. I bet if Iverson had played with a guy who won a scoring title you guys would still make excuses for him. Oh wait.... I can't tell if you really don't like Webber and are just arguing Webber to try to prove your point, or that you are such a Webber lover that your Webber goggles have you blind to the fact. Either way it is a REDICULOUS way to prove that AI is a cancer. First of all, I didn't even WANT Iverson, if you could read you would know that. I'm just stating that Iverson is no cancer, and for some reason you keep bringing up Webber who is now absolutely horrible, he was even horrible in his last few seasons in Sac-town, but they had a Phoenix type offense then so he still got his points, although on about the SAME shooting %(and points) as he had last year in Philly. Why has Peja's FG% dropped slightly in the last 2 seasons? I only made a mockery of your post because it's just FUNNY to me that you are arguing that Webber is still a great and helpful player. Like it's funny, everytime I see you defend him I laugh, I just don't see how anyone could honestly defend Webber as a great player at this time in his career and be serious. Funny that every other poster in THIS thread also agreed that Webber is NOWHERE near the same player he was, dude STATS don't tell the story. Anyone can prove ANYTHING with stats if you know how to use them, fact is Webber is nowhere NEAR where he used to be. If you can't see that you are blind, BLIND. If stats tell the whole story like you obviously think they do, then why have Shaq's numbers fallen in Miami? T-Mac's in Orlando? Larry Hughes in Cleveland? Are Wade, LeBron, and Yao cancers too? You should realize that some people do better on different teams. Didn't Webber average 20 and 9.9 with AI last year? how come he can't this year? His numbers have just DROPPED? OMG! Could it be that he just sucks now? BTW comments from the USA team where AI played along stars. Quote: He finished the tournament ranked overall tied for 10th in scoring, tied for fourth in steals, fifth in 3-point percentage, tied for seventh in assists, and ninth in field goal percentage (.562) Helped lead the USA to a 10-0 record, the gold medal and a qualifying berth for the 2004 Olympics at the Aug. 20-31 FIBA Americas Olympic Qualifying Tournament in Puerto Rico. Started all eight games he played in, and averaged a team second best 14.3 ppg., 3.8 apg., 2.5 rpg., 1.6 spg., while shooting 56.2 percent (41-73 FGs) from the field and 53.6 percent (15-28 3pt FGs) from 3-point and 81.0 percent (17-21 FTs) from the foul line. http://www.usabasketball.com/biosmen/allen_iverson_bio.html He shot less than 10 FG/g @ over 56%, was 7th in the WHOLE tourney in assists, and shot 56.7% from the field. I realize that was the USA team and not the NBA, but I'd hardly call that selfish.

Well let's trade for Webber then! Forget all the AI talk, let's get Webber! Man I REALLY didn't realize he was still this great, damn I bet we could get him for a bargain now, let's do it!

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php...c521278944818c0 Quote: Got word from a very reliable source that the Hawks will be switching logos and colors in the 2007-08 season. Gone are the black and gold colors and the current logo. They will be replaced with Blue, Silver, and Red, and yes, the Pac Man will return....but in a more futuristic look! 2007-08 season...the new look begins!! Saw this on RealGM, don't know how credible it is, but how tight does that sound!

Almost 5 steals too

You are 100% right. I have been saying this all year. Only now we don't have JJ to bail us out.

Quote: You are forgetting that Webber was coming off an injury and wasn't completely healthy. He readily admitted his knee wasn't right that year. However last year, according to him, his knee was fine. This year so far he is playing like crap. When he suddenly starts playing well and shooting much better now that AI is gone you are going to have to come up with some new excuses. So you are telling me that a 20 mil/year contract and shooting 43% is good? Dude he's been playing injured the past 4 years. He hasn't shot 50% since the 01-02 season! Even then it was .495. He's been HORRIBLE since his surgery that year. He's completely lost all athletic ability. You can't possibly believe that he would help anyone right now. It's OK to not like AI, but calling him a cancer because Webber is horrible is just rediculous. His contract is probably more untradeable than Marbury's or K-Mart's.

Too bad he was a horrible pick..

He's just thinking about it in terms of salaries, but we have cap space he probably didn't take that into consideration. But he is right in that we probably couldn't trade for AI because of Belkin's [censored] ass, even if we wanted to.