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That's what he gets for flopping all times. He gets all the dumbest calls ever. He just leans into people and looks at the ref, it's annoying as fvck.

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Where does Marvin go? He went to look for Smoove and Bibby our #2 and #3 scoring options.

Quote: I hate nicknames. I refuse to call Smith by his because I think it is kinda dumb. I am certainly not calling Childress the same name as the dog from "Airplane 2". How about "Chilli Cheese"? or "Childralicious"?

Joe of course, most of the players in his shoes would request a trade after 1st year. Joe is not a quiter, we know that for sure. Joe we love you man!

I think we need to give him some credit too. Good job Woody!

Don't be surprised when they announce it.

Quote: Allowing your man to score 30 at a high percentage while blocking his shot twice is not widely considered good defense. The Hawks need to improve their individual defense from top to bottom! Position defense is much more effective than a block shot! true dat.

Quote: I wouldnt do that. Hawks need a big body down low but Kaman isnt he big man that we need..we need someone who can run the floor and is a little more athletic than Kaman..he is a solid C but Josh Smith's future looks to bright to do that trade..I would want a C like Camby or Biedrins..they would fit perfectly into the Hawks style of play! Kaman is better than Camby and Biedrins.

Quote: Lets see... Someone in their 30s who is shorter, less athletic, coming off of an injury, and definately not as exciting. And we're trading Josh Smith for him? The Clips would do this trade in two seconds, the Hawks wouldnt. Oh come on, the Celtics got even older players and look at them now. They traded Al Jefferson and all their young guys to get Allen and KG. We could just trade Smoove who is similar player to Jefferson and we still have Bibby Joe and Marvin. pg- Bibby sg- Joe sf- Marvin pf- Brand C- Horford Really similar to the Celtics lineup: pg- Rondo sg- Allen sf- Pierce pf- KG c- Perkins or Detroit pg- Billups sg- Hamilton sf- Prince pf- Mcdyess c- Wallace

just saying....

Quote: aren't all playoffs team nationally televised? and if not, how do you watch your team, would it be on League Pass? because i can tell you right now if i dont get to watch EVERY hawks playoff game after spending the money for league pass and suffering thru all these years, i'm going to go apeshit. They are don't worry, 41 games in 41 nights something like that.

Quote: Marvin is much better as a positional defender than Josh Smith is. You right, but there is some people on here that don't agree with you.

Quote: Quote: You don't see Marvin down in the paint where Smoove should be. The perimeter should be Bibby, JJ, and Marvin, with Smoove (or Chillz if he is in the game) and Al down low. Pay attention to the game and you will see Marvin defer to Smoove and you will also see Smoove take shots that he shouldn't instead of passing to an open Marvin. It's the exact same way that Harrington used to treat Smoove. Maybe he is just paying it forward or something, I don't know. Key Word... Where Smoove "SHOULD BE". That's my point, when AL left, we lost our post presence from the forward position. Smoove nor Marvin has acquainted themselves in the post the way that Al was there. Therefore, I think Marvin is hindering Smoove's growth as a Sf because Smoove is not a PF.. not by play. You are right Smoove is not a PF, but he is not a SF either. Smoove is a tweener so you play him by the matchups not by the position. Smoove can play some SF but more PF. Marvin can play SF and that's it. Smoove is a better player, but Marvin is a better SF. Harrington is a chucker that plays no defense. End of story!

I remember Al Jefferson in his rookie year. He was a foul machine. He had 2.70 fpg in only 14 minutes, but now he plays 35 minutes and gets same 2.70 fpg.

Quote: Quote: I would probably sit him out against Chicago and let me play against the Knicks.. I hope your PG skills are killer. Nah anyone can play against the Knicks.

Quote: I think we can all agree that everybody pretty much stunk it up tonight in the second half. Exatcly, no adjustments from Woody either.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Nop it's either he doesn't trust Smoove or Smoove doesn't want the responsibilty. OK lol you're just making up stuff to try and prove your point now. That's rediculous. Smith has IN THE PAST guarded KG very well, numerous times, so that's obviously not the problem. Ok i agree he has, but why doesn't he be like JJ and guard him? he don't care what Woody says anyways, he is still shooting jumpers and doing whatever he wants. If he wants to win bad than he will go out of his way and not be like "Marvin" than. Usually players guard who the coach tells them to guard, that's just how it is. Obviously there are exceptions, but for the most part, that's how it goes. It shouldn't be hard at all for Woody to recognize when a player is getting abused defensively to make a switch. That should be a knee-jerk reaction and he should get it changed immediately. How can you not agree with that? That's the coaches JOB, to recognize problems and make a change to see if it works. Ok our players are dumb and our coaches are even dumber. end of story.

well that has a lot to do with Marvin coming of early in the 1st qtr while Smoove is playing with the starters and Chill. That's when we play our best. Marvin comes back usualy at the end of 1st or early second qtr for JJ's or Smoove and plays with chill Zaza or lAw. It's enough man i go to go sleep. Let's agree to disagree, i hope u don't get offended or something like that. Fvck this team sometimes. piece out.

Quote: Quote: Nop it's either he doesn't trust Smoove or Smoove doesn't want the responsibilty. OK lol you're just making up stuff to try and prove your point now. That's rediculous. Smith has IN THE PAST guarded KG very well, numerous times, so that's obviously not the problem. Ok i agree he has, but why doesn't he be like JJ and guard him? he don't care what Woody says anyways, he is still shooting jumpers and doing whatever he wants. If he wants to win bad than he will go out of his way and not be like "Marvin" than.

But he is being given the most oppurtunities behind JJ. He is the second option on offense. Marvin is 4th.

Nop it's either he doesn't trust Smoove or Smoove doesn't want the responsibilty. Why is Joe guarding the best perimeter players than? It's because Woody want him too and he wants too.. simple.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Since you love the +/- stat SO much, why is Smith's +/- over the ENTIRE season +3.1 (second highest on the team) and Marvin's is -4.4 (worse than any player not named Salim/Richardson/Solo)????? Hmmmm, I suppose that doesn't have any relevence? I know Marvin sucks and i didn't expect him to be our leading +- guy, but tonight Smoove was worse than any other player on our team by a long shot. So you're bashing Smith relentlessly over one game where in spite of other shortcomings he still shot 50%?? The Marvin bashing is here because he has sucked for 3 months, not one game. Everyone has bad games sometimes, every good defender gets lit up by scrubs sometimes. There is a REASON that Smith has a good +/- and is 2nd highest on the team. Just like there is a reason that Marvin has the worst +/- on our team out of the 8-9 players that get consistent minutes. But Marvin is supposed to bad anyways right? Smoove is our best player right? That's what everyone on this board thinks. There is no excuse for slacking like Smoove does. JJ has a off game but mostly because defenses are so tight on him. Smoove just makes his boneheaded play either he is stupid or selfish.

Ok lets say he scored all 31 points on Horford( which he hasn't, not even half). Why wouldn 't you put your best defensive player on him than? DPOY is Bryant, Bowen, Artest or Battier. Nobody else should be even considered.

Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: [so you think that Marvin and Horford were our most effective starters tonight? See, you have to actually put some thought into this stat. You also have to look at how the opposing players did. While Horford was only -6 himself, Noah and Gooden were terrific vs. him. Meanwhile, Hughes+Nocioni+Deng+Sefolosha were a combined 11-36. Marvin, JJ, and Childress did a good job collectively on defense. So again, you feel that Horford and Marvin were our most effective starters? Yes those are the only players beside Joe that were defending. They should get the credit for keeping us in the game while that dumb fvck(you know who)lost us the ball game. they had off nights offensively though. They kept us in the game with their defense tonight. I am not gonna mention that dumb fvck anymore. LOL so I guess Marvin and Horford also played better than Bibby and JJ. OK. JJ actually played pretty good D tonight, and Bibby played better D tonight than I've seen him play all year. Yet Marvin/Horford were more effective, OK. But the gap is much closer between them though because JJ struggled offensively as well. The other guy was - 20 with nobody even close to that. Since you love the +/- stat SO much, why is Smith's +/- over the ENTIRE season +3.1 (second highest on the team) and Marvin's is -4.4 (worse than any player not named Salim/Richardson/Solo)????? Hmmmm, I suppose that doesn't have any relevence? I know Marvin sucks and i didn't expect him to be our leading +- guy, but tonight Smoove was worse than any other player on our team by a long shot.