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but here is my response anyway lol... Quote: Sure management picked Marvin... But at some point, you have to live up to the Hype. We need to come to grips with the very likely possibility that he won't and move on with our lives. Quote: I think 1/2 of the Marvin hate would go away if Marvin "looked like" he gave a damn. maybe so. Quote: Is that management's fault?? That falls on pre-draft evaluation and post-draft coaching. If you don't think you can draw the intangibles that it takes to be successful out of a person then you shouldn't select them. Quote: Jhay if you graduated from Harvard as a Rhodes Scholar... Was paid 240 Million dollars a year to be a CEO of a fortune 5 company. And you spent the first 3 years of your job making mistake after mistake.... Whom should the company hold accountable? The Rhodes Scholar Committee? The Company who hired you? The employees who work under you? All the other fortune 5 companies who "aren't playing nice"? Your 10th grade Social Studies teacher? Easy. The company should hold themselves, and more specifically the evaluators/interviewers they set in place that selected me accountable, and the compensation committee that determined my salary that I did not justifiably earn. The company is the one writing the checks, so they are the ones taking the losses. By offering me position of CEO they are entering into an employment agreement with me. They can't sue me for my wages if I am not performing. I am not bound by any legal or moral code to do a good job, or to even do the best job that I can. I am simply rendering a service. If they feel that I am hurting the company or that I am not providing the quality of service that meets or exceeds the standards they hold for the position, then they should fire me. I bet they would, too, and I bet they wouldn't assimilate a convention of shortsighted shareholders [hs'ers] to debate and vote on it, because upper management is ultimately in charge of and culpable for the financial performance of the company. If their hire doesn't do a good job then that reflects on the quality of their own work. In short, that's their ass. That is why BK and MW should be getting 100% of the backlash for this, not Marvin Williams.

With all due respect, I already read this post and the back and forth that ensued from the thread that occurred in the fall of last year (Sept, if memory serves) and was rehashed within the last couple of days here on the squawk. I've said my piece and God knows you've said yours several times over. Perhaps in making a site-wide suggestion (it seems there is nothing else to talk about besides u-know-who) I was a little ambitious. I think I will abstain, or at least be more selective, in the marvin vs. HS threads that I participate in going forward. It just seemed to be a little excessive to me, but hey, different strokes for different folks. A disclaimer, however, all this *itchin' won't do a dam thing. It's not like Marv, Mike, or Billy are on HS every day seeing what the fans are saying. If you don't like it, don't go to the games. Don't watch them on tv. Or just spend half of your waking hours on HS, I guess it beats shouting at a wall or something...

thanks for posting. Isiah Thomas is the biggest D-bag in the history of basketball.

Quote: Remember that this sucker lasts 82 games. If you're going to enjoy life as an NBA fan, you can't keep getting so 'up-and-down' after each game. Relax, and learn to enjoy watching games again. Hey, don't bring that perspective crap on HS, we don't want it. Seriously, I have known drug addicts and many a pregnant woman with milder mood swings.

Quote: Thanks for proving my point, D. You've had that same speech locked and loaded for three years now. We get it. Cue Ex's picture of dead horse... I've only been here a couple months and I've already seen it a few times myself...

Quote: My point has nothing to do with Marvin other than the fact that there is some real Marvin dislike on this board... Which is really just misguided anger at management that has become an inappropriate/sad/masochistic obsession with a kid who did nothing but enter his name into the draft. If you guys want to obsess about something and get all masochistic then start posting 400 threads per day about Woodson and Billy Knight, the people who brought Marvin here. I would say anti-marvin threads outnumber anti-woody threads by about 4-1 and anti-BK threads by about 6,000,000-1. Quote: so you can never truly quiet the pundits. what? 1st of all that didn't make sense, secondly the word pundit is defined as "a learned person, expert, or authority". I think it's safe to say that those are an extremely rare find on this board. I mean I love the site but I don't think I would classify many squawkers as "pundits". Most view the action through their own skewed prism in which their favorite players do nothing wrong and their least favorites do nothing right. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. We are all hawks fans, and as such, are emotionally involved with the team. Where both emotion and logic are involved, the former is the greater force. Quote: Your point is every thread breaks down to Marvin... However, didn't your thread start with Marvin? A pretty ridiculous statement that in a way proves my point. Isn't it a prerequisite on HS that every thread has the word "Marvin" in it somewhere? Quote: How can you talk about what's causing all of this when you don't want to talk about the cause?? Again, misguided anger/obsession/masochism. I am more than happy to address the cause, and it isn't Marvin Williams. It is not his fault that management cannot evaluate talent and bought into the hyperbole machine that is the media. For some reason MW was the consensus #2 on that board, and management had every opportunity and resource with which to make an informed and correct decision. BK's fetish for long, athletic swingmen rendered him incapable of making the correct move for this franchise, despite the fact that we had already accumulated a surplus of players with Marvin's build/alleged skill set. Quote: That's truly an idiotic view of things H This is my thread, H essentially co-signed it. Quote: and for you to believe that I have proved your point proves one thing... You don't even understand your own thread! I don't understand most of your post.

Quote: The same thing happened in the Tournament at UNC, he absolutely CHOKED in their final three games. Didnt he get the game-winning tip-in basket near the end of the chip game?

Quote: There have been at least 10 games this season where having a descent coach would have change the outcome. On the contrary, I would contend that Woodson has been in descent since the day he took the job. He has fallen so far, in fact, that I believe he is at or near rock bottom.

but u have to recognize the law of diminishing returns at work here...you can't have an intelligent discussion if you are saying the same thing over, and over, and over....

No matter how any HS thread starts, whether it is on the recent game or the possibility of inclement weather, it will ultimately divert, converge and boil down to this: Marvin Williams sucks. Or wait, no he doesn't he's just young and he'll develop. No he's had 3 years in the league and he's no better. But wait, his EFF says this, no his Roland Rating says that blah blah blah..... Get over it. CP3 may be a hall of famer, but what he will not be is a Hawk. We blew the pick. Let's move forward with our lives. It isn't healthy for a group of otherwise sound mind to be so heavily fixated on one young man's sac. Thank you for your time.

that's an epidemic here on the squawk. everybody likes to bust on Marv...I always say it's not his fault BK sucks at his job...

LOL Z U R such a bum! Nice moaning on those would-be shots.

Bibb's playin great. We need to tighten up that d-rebounding. Chillz nice minutes but you had to know Gordon was gonna pull that at the end of the quarter??? Close all the way out!

Drew Gooden looks like Karl Malone in his prime.

hey we might complain about ownership, coaches, management, players, et all; but at the end of the day we are all hawks fans, and I know I am til the day I die. I don't care if we re-sign Billy and Woody 'til eternity and field a full roster of freelancing 6'9" tweeners 'til 2100 I am still a fan. You won't see any other team's logos popping up on my posts. All I ask for is a team of guys that will play hard every night. They weren't doing that a few weeks ago so I was hot, but now they seem to be. Lets bring it in for a big Hawksquawk cyber hug.

Quote: Smith is the top player on the NBA's youngest team Wait, did we trade Joe Johnson?!?!! Quote: Said Woodson: "He's made gradual steps along the way. When he first got here, it was a nightmare. He's grown a lot in his own way, and he's had a lot of latitude to develop his game. While he's doing that, we're still trying to win games, and that's tough." Nice D, Woody!

Quote: could drive from point A to point B without making a Charlie Brown style face plant. HA HA LMAO!!

HA HA thas funny. That's why it's harder than everyone thinks to be a gm. Poor judgment using that strong superlative language in there...these words are in print and don't go anywhere...

I know why Nique wasnt more involved in the past....RACISM!! QUICK! Somebody tell Terence Moore so he can put a new twist on his go-to topic! I absolutely LOATHE Moore and I wonder why he is getting so much shine on ESPN myself. My own personal purgatory would be being locked in a small room with no windows or doors listening to Skip Bayless and Terence Moore debate various topics of the day. Jay Crawford would host.

Quote: I was being 100% sarcastic with that response as to what we can get for Marvin. Yeah I picked up on that after revisiting that thread. My bad on that. I still dont see an early draft pick for Marv though. Late 1st rounder maybe. Mid first rounder if we luck out. Sorry

Quote: Marvin must score to be effective. He just doesn't bring anything else to the table. Quote: That is one of the most ridiculous myths on this site and it drives me nuts. Marvin and JJ are by far our best perimeter defenders and it's a toss up on which one is better but Marvin routinely has to defend the opposing teams best wing player. He had T-Mac completely locked down and then when he went ouf of the game T-Mac went off. CO-SIGN! I swear I don't know if people are getting different broadcasts than me. Although Marvin can be awkward, he does a pretty good job of staying in front of his defender and is a good team defender. He also has the length to bother the shots of the volume scorers in this league (6'8" athletic swingmen: Lebron, Kobe, T-mac, Vinsanity, et all) Chillz, although he has been better lately, is defensively just....lazy. Not to contribute to the ever-running Chillz v Marvin arguments, because I like them both, but to say Marvin has to score to be effective is asinine.

I like Marvin's game fine, he will be a solid pro for a long time, but we have too many guys at his position and if we can make a trade that gets Al out of the 5 I'm all for it. I'm not saying Pryz is a better player than Marv but provided we can resign Chill/Smoove we will need to shop him for another big. Didn't you say on another thread that the best we could get for marv was a late 2nd rounder? Now you are upset about trade talk and saying he's worth more? Marv is a project but the things he will get better at are his decision-making, maybe extending his range out to 3 and, best case scenario, figuring out a way to finish through contact. He will never get that much quicker, won't get much more explosive, his feet won't get lighter, so to speak, and he will never get less awkward. He's knees and elbows everywhere when he drives. Watching him in the first half the other night I almost fell out of my chair laughing when he tripped on a drive and then lost his feet when he stepped on the ball. Of course he has a higher ceiling than Pryz but it's not that high. I can't say I'd be happy with a Marvin/Pryz swap but Billy's master plan has come together and low and behold, we don't have anyone that can contain legit centers in this league.

Quote: Trade Marvin home to Seattle for their pick and a big. Quote: Yes, yes...c'mon....let's get real guys - nobody will likely trade either one of those for Marvin. He's just a typical 6'9" dude witha jumper....this is the Pros..nobody cares where your hometown is. Yes please who is giving us a middle/early 1st round pick for this guy + a big?!!? He might get a serviceable big OR a very late 1st rounder. All you have to do is watch a little game film and you'll see that is fair value. I'd like to see another NBA GM outside of BK give up that much for Marvin Williams. Hey we could throw in Mario West and trade Marvin to S.A. and pick up Tim Duncan! That would put is in line for a chip next year! This is not dynasty mode in Live....

I'm pretty sure there was 7 on the clock when that went up, but maybe not...I thought the play where he gave up the J and found Chillz, and then got the block on the jumper after some exceptional team D were key possessions. If we defended like we did on that trip for 48 minutes we would win a lot of games. Way to grind out a tough win when u played poorly for most of 3 quarters. Zaza, kill ya self.

Very, very sloppy. We are fortunate to be in this game. Smoove is in rare form tonight, looking for the elusive triple double, pts, rebs, turnovers