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Duly noted. I stand corrected.

Quote: If your going to quote someone, you should utilize the whole quote. Not just the part that proves your point. Yes please that is lazy. Without context a benign quote can seem inflammatory. Quote: Furthermore, lets keep this blog strictly basketball, at least until the season ends. actually the lounge forum is intended for topics outside of basketball. Since Obama is mixed, he has the best of both worlds. He can bang on either side of the equator and not be labeled a racist, right? Oh wait, I forgot he was drafted in the second round by the black race [(#1 overall: Tiger Woods) See Dave Chappelle's 'Racial Draft']

Quote: He does not play good man to man defense at all. Actually, he often lets his man get by him so he can try for the block Exactly. Baron Davis took him to school for that. I guess he didn't learn his lesson...

Quote: He can have the Ace and King of Spades in his hand. But because the Big Joker and Little Joker are still in somebody's hand, he'll let someone cut a book without challenging it with his 2 high Spades, which lets them get a cheap book. example: ( Woody and his partner bidded 7 for the hand. They have 5 books, with 4 more chances/plays of the hand to reach 7. Key play of the hand comes right here. ) player (1) - plays Jack of Hearts player (2) - because she has no Hearts, cuts with a 5 of Spades Woody is player (3) - He has the Ace, King, and 8 of Spades he can cut with. Instead of being aggressive, and playing the Ace or the King, to force Player (4) to possibly cut over him with one of the Jokers if he has one, Woody would play the 8 of Spades and hope that would be enough to get the book or trick. player (4) - who had the Big Joker, the 9, and the 4 of Spades to cut with, plays the 9 and wins the book. Woody didn't make a horrible play by playing the 8 of Spades. It was just too safe of a play. But the fact that player 4 won the book with the 9 of Spades, gave that team a book that they didn't count on. And that's what made it a horrible play. On the final play of the hand, Woody would still be holding his Ace, his partner would have the Lil Joker, and player 4 would have the Big Joker, to win the book at the end. And of course, that would end up being the book that got Woody SET, and they'd have to go back -70 points. JJ was Woody's Ace of Spades tonight, that he tried to hold onto too long. And that got him SET tonight. My man, are you high? Pass that ish lol

If you haven't read my posts in the past I think everyone on HS is in love with MWest for some mystical unknown reason, or maybe it's because he's a tech guy, or maybe it's because he is a feel-good underdog story...I, for one, think he should be what he is...one of the last guys off the bench. I dont think West should play extended minutes except in special circumstances. Last night was one of those circumstances. When one guy is torching u like that from outside, you need to get someone out there who will make him earn it. While Carter can elevate over West, at least West would get physical with him and put the wood on him a couple times. The other problem is that Carter had the night off on defense, so he had free reign to go at the Hawks w/o expending effort on defense. West doesn't solve that problem but I wouldn't have minded seeing him get a shot at it last night, especially when we started floundering on offense. We needed someone to DEFEND last night, and it wasn't team offense that was beating us, it was VC.

No one defended well last night, but Chillz was the worst. He was late or lame on I counted 4 possessions where a guy penetrated and got all the way to the basket because he didnt rotate over at all/in time. It can't be that easy to score in an NBA playoff type game. The Hawks don't play defense hard enough to win tough games. He also kept letting freakin' Nachbar get free for easy dunks in the 1st half. No one played good D, but his was esp. horrible.

I agree Carter was vintage tonight he was hitting some ridiculous shots. He could not be stopped, and it is frustrating because we are better than them. Still though, we were not rotating on defense. Too often it was a blow by of one defender and then a half-ass or a no-contest of a dunk. And Carter was hot throughout the game, I mean red-hot from the jump, and we still had a 10-point lead at half. It was frustrating becuz you see the Hawks offensively in the first half and u think they are about to turn that corner, that they have gelled, and then...the second half happens. WTF Woody sitting JJ the whole 3rd with only 3 fouls. I remember looking at the lineup at one point and thinking, 'ok who is gonna score right now'. Nobody, as it were.

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after a nice game defensively against the Wiz, Chillz is back to his old tricks. Making bums look like all stars. Natchbar has gotten free on the baseline for 3 dunks

Back to old habits defensively. Horf didnt show hard enough on a pick, Chillz doesnt rotate over, Carter layup. Carter blows by Joe, no rotation from Chillz. Smoove loses handle on break, recovers, throws horrible pass, backpedals back on D as Jefferson streaks by him for a feed from Carter for two. Offensively, keep at it. What a shot by Joe! Nets need to miss some freakin' shots from outside though, which they will. We're ok

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Yes please this is bad..

Quote: To say that a 21 year old player with Marvin's IQ can't improve his ability to finish in traffic is ridiculous. I don't think it's ridiculous. A lot of players have spent their entire careers as basically the same player they were when they got in the league. Not everybody develops. Quote: OF COURSE he can (and will) get stronger. Maybe he will get stronger, but guys defending the rim will be at least as strong as him. Besides, as I mentioned before, strength is not the only metric for finishing ability. Otherwise Jahidi White would be one of the league's greatest centers and Ben Wallace would average 25 a game. Quote: OF COURSE he can improve his ability to maintain his balance when finishing in the lane. maybe that will improve negligibly if he gets stronger in his core and does a ton of plyometrics, but this is a skill you are born with. Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant contort their bodies the way they do because of natural talent, not because they hit the weight room that much harder than everyone else. Quote: Once he gets stronger, he will realize that he doesn't need to lower his head and initiate the contact, he just needs to focus on getting the ball in the hole. That will improve his balance immediately. why does he have to get stronger to realize this? Why can't he just develop a pull-up jumper like JJ? That would be more realistic than assuming that he can get stronger than the rest of the league over the course of a couple of off-seasons. Let's keep in mind that MW's work ethic has been questioned more than a couple times in the past. He tends to enjoy his down time. And how will his realization that he should avoid contact improve his balance? Quote: He will also learn how to EFFECTIVELY use his body to create space rather than just running through guys. that's a pretty big assumption. He should have learned that by now after 3 years in the league, college ball, hs, middle school, etc... Quote: OF COURSE he can learn to protect the ball and learn to use angles more effectively. again, major assumptions. Quote: He has already shown signs of being able to do this, he just needs to do it more consistently. He has shown more consistently an inability to finish over/around any contest of his shot going at the rim. He has heavy feet and no explosion at all. A pull-up J would be great for him. Quote: I think one think that will help him is to work on consistently using his left hand when he drives left. Sometimes, he gets by guys and then he takes the shot right-handed which allows them to contest the shot. If he takes the shot with his left they won't be able to get to him without fouling. I agree. Quote: Even Chillz can and likely will get a lot stronger as he matures. That's funny have you ever seen that guy in person?

Quote: This year i have noticed him pulling up for short jumpers or floaters on occassion which he never used to do. He hasn't quite mastered those shots yet but with his length and quickness getting by people i think he could be effective using these shots just like JJ does. JJ uses them because he can't jump that well. Marvin should be using them because he is just too clumsy to take contact and have any hope of finishing. Ur right. If marvin could incorporate these into his rep he could be a bonafide scoring option. He has shown that he can get by people running at him, which a recovering defender has to do because he has proven he can hit the jumper. If he could get a little stop/pop like JJ he would be very effective. He has a nice touch around the rim when he's not barreling at the basket so I don't know why this hasn't been pointed out to him before. Oh wait, that would be what a coach is paid to do....

Quote: in time. His first step is actually very quick and it allows him to gain an advantage on the defender. He was doing a great job of drawing fouls with his quick first step early in the season. The problem is that he doesn't always know what to do once he gains that advantage. He needs to develop his strength so that he can finish with contact more consistently and he needs to develop a go to move on the drive that he can make with regularity. The ability to finish on the drive will make his jab step/jumper that much more effective. Finishing is not just about strength. It is one part strength (absorbing contact), one part athletic ability (maintaining balance)and one part feel (i.e. knowing how to play angles, knowing how to hide the ball if you cant jump over, through someone) No matter how strong MW gets he will never have the other two skills it takes. I havent noticed MArv's body develop much since college anyway, no reason to think it will start this offseason.

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Quote: Chicago. what happened to the hornet notlanta? U comin back on board after the last 3 games?

Quote: Jhay I wish you could see more games live - excellent review. I saw most of the game on tv, but your insights make me think I must have been drunk. lol thanks. I would have to get paid to go in depth on every game like that though. Since I am in DC I was just amped about seeing them live, and I was lucky enough to see one of their better efforts in recent years. Most game summaries before these last 3 would look something like this: Man we suck.

Quote: when they got guys from the stands to jump on the trampoline and try to dunk? I knew someone would screw up. The first guy tried to jump off the trampoline on one leg then just barely got the rim with his fingers. He overshot the padding and landed flat on his ass on the floor at the baseline. that had to hurt. Man when they brought that pad out I was sitting there thinking 'what the hell is going on? They better have signed a waiver for this'...sure enough the first guy took a nasty spill. That is a lot more difficult to do than it looks, especially if u've never done it before. Handling that momentum and maintaining body control is an acquired skill, I know I would want to practice somewhere a few times b4 I came out in front of a crowd. I think the last guy was a ringer, though, that just looked too polished. Oh, and how dead was that crowd? Nice road win and all, but we'll definitely hit some tougher venues down the stretch and in the playoffs (if we get there). Verizon makes Phillips look like MSGarden of the 90's.

Quote: ...and Horford is quickly developing an offensive game... he's deadly from 15 ft & exposes smaller guys down low with his quickness & touch. Yeah that is one thing I left out about Horf's game. His little 15 ft and in jumper is really nice and soft, and allows him to create matchup problems with guys bigger than him. Smaller guys guarding his position he can out-muscle, and he has such quick feet that he still isn't giving up an advantage there. If he continues to develop at this pace I see no reason why he can't average 15-20 and 10 for a lot of years to come.

Quote: Funny that you didn't mention Bibby. he hit some big shots but i continue to be disappointed with his passing. He threw some horrible passes. I didnt mention Bibby because the jury is still out on him. He hit some big shots, which he seems to do in some games when he gets on a roll, but then he'll have two games after that where he can't hit anything. He still looks like he's favoring the foot a little bit, but he did a decent job on D last night. As you said, some of his passes make you think you have J Kidd out there, but then he'll come down and throw two WTF?? passes that usually go the other way for fast break points. Obviously we will be much more successful when he is hitting shots like last night, we needed everything he gave us. But, as that SAC fan posted weeks ago that everyone on HS has co-signed already, he isn't there every night...at least not thus far. He's either really good or really bad.

I agree Souljaboy is garbage...Can't knock the hustle though. UUUUUUUUUUUUL

Quote: If we go 11-4 these last 15 games, than we'd be at an even .500 How do you figure? 29-38 +11-4 ________ 40-42

Ok this turned into a book but stay with it I think there are some good points in here... 1) When the Hawks are moving the ball and moving without the ball, they can be a damn good offensive team. I saw a lot of activity out there tonight. Guys picking for each other, making cuts w/o the ball. We did more on most of our possessions tonight than I have seen in a long time. 'Give it to Joe' was our last option, not our first. I EVEN SAW A COUPLE OF SET PLAYS! Block to block screens, screen and slips and some backpicks all got us some easy looks. 25 assists v 10 tovers? That is winning basketball. 2) Woodson actually managed the game. WTF DID I JUST TYPE?!!? I have been on Woodson as much as anybody but he did a great job with the rotations tonight. When Smoove picked up his 4th foul it was with 11:00 min left in the 3rd. Rather than forget him on the bench, he got him back in there in time to impact the game, with a little more than 7:00 left on the 4th. I would have gotten him in a little earlier, but the unit on the floor was playing well and I can live with the 7 min mark . Smoove did pick up a 5th foul a little later so it seemed to be a prudent move to get him in when Woody did. Horf got a nice blow at 2:00 left in the 3rd, the quarter break, and 1st min of the 4th, so he was ready for the stretch run (big Z even managed to look not horrible for the most part). Finally, after AC got basically punked in the open court, having the ball taken from him big boy style and a bucket scored in transition on the other end, Woodson called a timeout and snatched him outta there. I liked that move because it was a lackadaisical error, not an aggressive one. Woody also departed from his norm by actually using his timeouts to slow momentum, a critical skill on the road. The Hawks had a 91-81 lead coming out of a timeout w 8:31 left. The wizards went on a 7-2 run over the next minute. When Deshawn Stevenson hit a 3 out of the corner, the crowd was getting involved and the lead was cut to 5. Rather than let the run continue, Woody actually called time out, which shocked me at the time. He got Bibby and Smith back in the game, and Bibb came out and hit a big 3 on the next trip down. Crisis averted. 3) This team can defend when it wants to. Even Chillz was out there giving maximum effort on D, what a great game on both ends from him. Everyone was getting out on shooters, rotating and just trying (not always succeeding, but trying) to play good D. Big ups to Joe for stoning Caron on a spectacular sequence in the 4th. Caron had it on the wing, and it was mano y mano, the crowd could feel it coming. Joe didnt budge. Got his hand in there, knocked it away, Caron recovered, regrouped, still couldnt create space and took a fadeaway J with Joe draped all over him. Superb. 4) We need a BIG. Brendan Haywood, an average center in this league, was absolutely exploiting our lack of size in the first half. We just have nobody that can match up with a big body like that. He disappeared in the 2nd half because he's Brendan Haywood, but that is a glaring flaw with this roster that will certainly rear its head until it is addressed. 5) A. Law needs to figure out how to finish/dish/ make the proper decision. I'm sure his decision making will get better with reps, but he really needs to work on developing a floater (exhibit a, Baron Davis over Smoove again and again in the Warriors home game; exhibit B, Tony Parker) or some type of deception in his shot because he gets his layups swatted by everybody. It's a shame, too, because that guy can get anywhere on the floor anytime he wants to. What a weapon that is and he is the only guy on the roster who can be that type of player for us. He was 3 steps quicker than anyone on the floor tonight. He just needs to figure out what to do with the ball when he gets where he's going. 6) Can we get off Mario West's jock now? He's like the Squawk mascot and everyone loves his defense but he is a major liability on O. I know he was cold cuz he hadnt played all game and I know everyone makes mistakes, but jeez we're trying to win a road game here. At the end of the 3rd, with the game very much still in the balance, he blew a wide open dunk because he couldnt decide whether he wanted to lay it in or dunk it while in the air, then pretty much got hung and did neither. Fortunately the ref bailed him out with a call but it was obvious that their was no contact on the play, the shot was barely contested at all. That is a gaffe that an NBA player should not make; lay the ball in the basket. 7) Did i mention Chillz was impressive? Exodus if u r reading this I know u went to the game too and u gotta give it up he was doing it out there. He hit two big corner threes off feeds from Joe, got his usual little chippies around the basket and a runout off a Wiz TO. He also was breaking people down off the dribble. I would like to see him do more of that as he has shown flashes recently (the crossover/dunkon against the Clips comes to mind. And as I said earlier, he actually defended quite well tonight. The only negative I can think of tonight was his missing a nice feed from Bibby off a penetration in which he got open in the short corner. Other than that, pretty flawless game. 8) HORF IS A BEAST. We all knew that. He was eating the glass out there and getting us extra opportunities on O. He got six offensive rebounds and I can remember 3 that directly resulted in open jump shots for Joe, and another that we got a dunk off of. Those are big difference makers. If we can put together more games like tonight we'll have a bright future. We controlled that game from start to finish and it was done by playing hard and smart basketball. Nice.

I am headed into enemy territory tonight. I am up here in DC 'til Sept. and I want everybody to know I got 'em. I'll be out there in full hawks gear p*ssing off these white collar political types. Does playing the knicks last night disqualify tonight's game as the back end of a back-to-back?