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  5. Based on what i seen in the preseason, I think this team could finish 1st in the East.

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    19 minutes ago, shakes said:

    I'm mad, I gotta miss games 2 and 3.   Going to Vegas tomorrow for long weekend.   Can't even watch at a sports book cause I'll be at Blackhawks game during the Friday game and I'll be at pre Cirque du Solei dinner during the Sunday game.

     

    At least I'll be back in time to watch Monday.

    Enjoy the time in Vegas Shakes. The highlight videos on Youtube will show a lot of the games anyway. 

  7. Based on what i seen in the preseason, I think this team could finish 1st in the East.

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    1 hour ago, Plainview1981 said:

    We've been there before. This franchise has not shown that it can get to the next level. I'm not going to even go on to rip the players in a way that I might have years ago.

    They have lost talent. You have what was a largely mediocre season year.... What do you do in response? You lose talent and do lateral moves. They wait too long to trade Collins. They did nothing notable to make this roster better following that.

    It boiled down to "We like our young guys".

    Ok, but... There is nothing to suggest that the folks at the top are determined to get to the next level. 

    The current players and the coaching staff are capable of going out there and doing better than last year, but they also got to overcome ho-hum ownership and management.

    I think it's more than "We like our young guys." Management spoke loud and clear last season; they feel they have the top-end piece to win a championship in Trae Young. The other pieces (GM, Coach, and other players) need to jump on board and fill their roles. Those who could not were let go and traded. 

    The last time we had effective coaching, and all players filled their assigned roles without complaint, we went to the ECF. 

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    There is no way we trade for the reigning MVP of the league and keep our best player. I don't see a trade for Embiid actually making us better. The amount that we have to give up would keep us right in the Play-In lane that we are in now. 

     

    We have our #1 for the forseeable future, let's focus back on trades for our new #2 or #3. 

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    12 minutes ago, kg01 said:

    ... about that.  So I heard about some research a noted economist did on this very subject.  He apparently compiled actual data and projections (I think) to calculate just how much money players make for (a) their team and (b) the league overall.  Essentially trying to answer are players actually overpaid or stte.

    I recall the commenter explaining that the top 20-30 players are underpaid regardless of salary.  Using Lebron as the example, he said Lebron makes $50mil for the Lakers specifically.  Then he generates an additional $50mil for the league and other teams - via merch sales, increased ticket rev, additional TV money, etc.  Of course, Lebron is special.  But other players that are a draw also have a similar effect.  I imagine Trae is on the shortlist of players that have this kind of economic impact.  I'm a little dubious on Towns being on that list, however, the overall point is that we shouldn't be so caught up on player salaries.  The owners wouldn't be paying the salaries if they weren't getting ROI. 

    I'm going to read the report if I can find it.

    https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-most-underpaid-players-history-lebron-giannis-luka/

    Don't think this is quite the research article you were talking about. But Trae does make the list here as #8 underpaid all time. 
     

    Seasons overpaid vs. underpaid: 0-4
    Real Value: $102,941,899
    Career earnings: $26,534,551
    Difference: $76,407,348 (287.95 percent)

    Similar to Doncic, Trae Young has been an All-Star, borderline All-NBA-level guy from his second season on, which, unfortunately for him was during his time on a rookie-scale contract.

    Young was most underpaid in 2020-21 when he put up 25.3 points and 9.4 assists while making $6.6 million, $24.4 million less than the $31.0 million Real Value believes he was worth that season.

    It shouldn’t come as a surprise that the Hawks were able to reach the Eastern Conference Finals that year, with Young on such a value contract.


    Also KAT makes the list at #25. Siakam doesn't make the cut. 

     

    Seasons overpaid vs. underpaid: 3-4
    Real Value: $156,743,801
    Career earnings: $114,123,435
    Difference: $42,620,366 (37.35 percent)

    One of the best floor-spacing, high-level scoring big men of his era, Karl-Anthony Towns was excellent right away as an NBA player, greatly outplaying his contract right off the bat.

    In 2016-17, Towns’ second season in the league, the Kentucky Wildcat averaged 25.1 points and 12.3 rebounds while shooting 54.2 percent from the floor. He made $6.0 million that season while his Real Value was $24.1 million, closer to a max contract at the time and a difference of $18.1 million.

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    26 minutes ago, Sothron said:

    Not an update with information but I am confused as to why this thread has become completely derailed. 

     

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    We've lost our minds. This tradewatch madness has infected us all. I almost gave grumpycat my avatar for the whole year. 

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  15. 2023-24 Insider Information Thread

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    Guys, come on, get with the program. The sports leagues do not keep up with every other aspect of our economy. The players and owners get more money when the leagues have larger profits. The percentages all generally stay the same. This isn't going to cripple Boston. Let's not overreact. 

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    1 minute ago, AHF said:

    It's all for fun and all good.  I'm just anticipating the two most obvious questions.  If you don't say one of you might consider if over when the season tips while the other thinks it is still in play through the trade deadline, etc.

    I'll say KAT will be a Hawk by the start of the season. 

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    24 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

    The only thing I would say is he cannot demand a supermax contract - he has to earn it by making an ALL NBA team this coming season.  He thinks he has a better shot doing it with the Raptors since he is the #1, but as you noted the young players and apparently the team wants to transition the team to Barnes.

    Dude is going to end up being the next Isiah Thomas and Dennis Schröder. No supermax contract, lower value due to lower stats this season, and no contract leverage. Sometimes we have to be able to read the room and his agents get paid to do it. 

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    20 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

    So you've never seen a 2nd tier player change teams and improves that team? Some players aren't built to be #1s.

    See Andrew Wiggins and Aaron Gordon.

    You have faith in Quin? If you do, wouldn't you have faith in him to put a system in place WITH him that actually works?

    That is the perfect reason why I want KAT. He's not built to carry a team as a #1, but he can push us over the top as a #2 or #3. 

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