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1 minute ago, RedDawg#8 said:

Wtf just happened?

So, did we just make the Rockets trade official? And then as soon as the ink dries we are trading for Mills?

Are the announcements just too far ahead of the paperwork is what I’m getting?

Or Mills will be on move again.  I feel bad for the guy, three times this offseason

29 minutes ago, Diesel said:

They just got Rachuan Holmes. 

 

There's nothing wrong with Standing Pat. 

Then you will complain that we should get "X, Y and Z" when we had the chance, Diesel.

Besides I think we got one more trade in us and I will like to see OO as the starter not Capella.

Just now, Spud2nique said:

We could swing a deal :

Minny gets: Hunter/Bey/JJ/Mills

ATL gets: KAT

salaries match perfectly.  

@JayBirdHawk there a problem with this trade as far as the cap?

Now that is way too much.  Hunter/Bey/JJ/Mills

4 + 1?!??!?  Nah that will not work at all.  We will not have any PF or SF with that deal

5 minutes ago, thecampster said:

First impression from summer league (IMHO), Gueye is going to be fun to watch, wasn't impressed with Bufkin at all (game too fast for him right now).

 

We aren't done, I just know we acquired those 2 from Houston to replace roster spots we were thinking about trading out. With them gone, I'm head scratching. Not a ton left in free agency. Not sure who we could be trading for.

 

Probably keep them open for G-Leagues or something like that (just kidding)

But I can understand about some of the frustrations that most of the folks in here.  Are we trying to win the championships or just selling tickets and merchs

Dont get me wrong, I know that FO had alot of tough decisions this offseason with John and Murrary and others but what is the end game here.  If you look at this roster, this team is a definition of a treadmill team (Good enough to get to the playoffs and get ousted in the first round but not bad enough to go to the lottery).  I want to hope that this team can surprised and get to the Finals but right now, this is team it is not it.

11 minutes ago, thecampster said:

Running low on assets now.  Might be, but no way Hunter and Capela wouldn't both be in the deal now.  

 

I'm moving this from likely to questionable.  If they are, they're going to have to use the TPE to back fill roster spots after.

 

Kat coming here would be a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 exchange.  

 

But considering the narrative is now, they flipped Collins and 1 2nd round pick to acquire Patty Mills, a 25 mil TPE and cap flexibility, that's a much better narrative.

So that means, it is not going to happen.  But the owners got what they wanted, they don't have to pay the tax and we still have a team that might still get into the playoffs (play-in tho). Still have space if a trade comes, and etc, etc, etc.   But that is good all the same.

Even know that I want to have one more star on here, we are going to be doing Hawks University.

2 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

Until you see Jaylen Brown's supermax extension signed, I doubt there will be any KAT trade -- if it happens at all.  The possibility of JB to ATL in a Dame to Boston scenario has to keep our FO from pulling the trigger on anything else.

hmmmm, hmmmm... I would not say that at all.  

3 minutes ago, RedDawg#8 said:

If Gay is involved in the trade for Mills doesn’t that change the framework of the KAT deal?

I thought Gay was salary filler to help close the gap. 

Yeah but Mills can be the stop gap for that if need it (expiring contact) but I think something else is going on.

Oh I was wondering if Patty fits within the TPE?  But I think this a good move and set-up for the next couple of moves that the Hawks can do.

20 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Not a single report on this KAT to atl deal yet…

Wow, just give it time okay

But seriously if yall guys worry about stuff like that, why are you even posting in the insiders (outsiders) post for?  Just check out the other post on the website.  Those guys are putting their necks and friendships on the line to give us any bit of news about this team.  Let it play out as so, besides they are still cooking right now (Houston deal is not completed yet) and anything can change or happen at any moment.

4 minutes ago, Vol4ever said:

I think the Hawks are done as far as trades.  

Right?

Nope, we still need to see what we are going to do with Capella and Bogi as well but Capella should be dealt before the season starts and Gay will be traded too.

5 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Others might enjoy fights of fancy. I enjoy getting it right.

I know that and everybody wants to get it right as well but everything is a process to make it right.  It might happen or might not.  But this is crazy season for trades and FA pickups.  

Right now we still have two outstanding trades right now and it could be prelude to a bigger trade (I know that 100% that Rudy Gay will not be in a Hawks uniform) plus we have to move Capella and other pieces.  Let them cook!

3 minutes ago, bleachkit said:

Did you read the numerous posts yesterday? Everyone was spiking the football yet we haven't crossed the goal line. We might be nowhere near the goal line.

We are close to that line beside if we are not then why we are talking about it.  Besides if it is not then we just have fun with players that we want.  You just need to take it easy and see what happens and dont sweat the small stuff.  Remember all of the trades that we did is not finalized yet and other stuff as well.  So just sit back and enjoy the ride no matter what the destination is. 

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

With Siakam, we was still gonna have Capela but Toronto wanted Okongwu and that was a fk no for Atlanta. Griffin and Okongwu have been major stopping points for Atlanta. Those two Atlanta wants to keep long term. JJ as well but more open on him than JJ or OO. 

It's Rudy Gay

Rudy Gay?!?! So is he going to be moving too once this deal is completed?

So that is the reason why they held up the Collins trade for or it was something else but regardless it was a master play by the FO (It still might not happen but if it does, I be happy about it)

@TheFuzz

That would be a negative there, because of Siakam does, he will get a better deal since he is good wing player that is very good in defense. 

Nice jobs, insiders and the other deal should be tonight or tomorrow?

34 minutes ago, Plainview1981 said:

This is still a very flawed roster. A not very good one.

 Cap has seemingly played his best ball, and I'm still not convinced that this backcourt is going to work well. OO really has to show something. The talent is there to be a 15/8 player or alittle better. But is the drive?

For all of the stuff you talk about, I dont see any solutions or ideas that the Hawks can do to make you happy (I think you were like this too during our ECF run and 60-win season).  I think you just hate this team.

9 minutes ago, warcore said:

S'mores are overrated like Trae Young who is definitely not a superstar. The chocolate never melts at the same rate as the marshmallows, just like Trae's game. I don't waste my time with them. 

But the rest about fire pit and trade ideas is accurate. 

1 hour ago, thecampster said:

I think I've figured out some of the Hawks motivation in the JC trade.  First posting the new relevant information from the new CBA.

 

1. First Apron Level Rules.

In addition to the Tax Apron transaction rules in the current CBA, the following transaction rules will apply at the First Apron Level. a. Signings – “Buyout” Players. Teams will be unable to sign a player during a Regular Season if he was waived during that Regular Season and had a prewaiver Salary for that year greater than the amount of that year’s Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception. Posted on June 28, 2023 2 b. Trades i. Traded Player Exception (“TPE”) Multiplier  During the period from July 1, 2023 through the last day of the 2023- 24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to use a TPE in excess of 110% of the Salary of the Traded Player(s); and  Beginning on the day after the last day of the 2023-24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to use a TPE in excess of 100% of the Salary of the Traded Player(s). ii. Pre-Existing TPEs. Beginning on the day after the last day of the 2023- 24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to use a TPE generated in a prior year. (For purposes of this rule, a “year” is measured from end of Regular Season to end of Regular Season.)

2. Second Apron Level Rules.

The following transaction rules will apply at the Second Apron Level. a. Signings – Taxpayer MLE. Teams will be unable to use the Taxpayer MidLevel Salary Exception. b. Trades. Beginning on the day after the last day of the 2023-24 Regular Season, teams will be unable to: i. Aggregation. Use a TPE generated by aggregating the Salaries of multiple Traded Players. ii. Cash. Convey cash to another team in a trade. iii. Sign-and-Trade. Acquire a Player Contract using a TPE in respect of a player whose Contract was traded pursuant to a sign-and-trade.

 

So avoiding the tax isn't just about not paying the tax, its also about flexibility.  Trading JC away avoids all of the restrictions generated by the 1st level.

1.  If your team is above the 1st apron level:

a) can't sign players on the waiver wire in a salary dump. IE you'll have to pay the full salary if you claim him if above this level.  (See LA/Boston/Dallas/SA/Miami).

b) can't sign a player for vet min 3 mil out of a TPE of $25 million (again...only if above this level). This is for roster adds pre-playoffs (again, stops ring chasing).

c) can't sign a player for vet min out of a large TPE before the next season starts just to get a jump on him/her for signing next contract.  (see tank-a-thon post season early signings).

 

2. If your team is above the 2nd apron level:

a) Can't use the T MLE for a late season addition, roster stacking. This rule would seem to stack with rule 1b.

b) Can't stack TPE's to grab a player outside of your roster salary restrictions (see Boston, LA, Dallas). This is an extension of 1b, 2a.

 

This explains why certain players opted in.  Less ability to skirt rules to be signed by others. (Draymond). Teams less likely to risk on older players because there is less opportunity to dump them before the trade deadline if things don't work out.

This explains dumping JC.  This wasn't to avoid the tax, but to avoid the restrictions on mid-season trading imposed at apron 1.  If $5mil under apron, team waives Draymond.  You could sign him vet minimum, other team on the hook for the rest for tax / cap calculation.  $5 over apron, you have to pay his full remaining salary to acquire him (if I'm reading that right).  Keeping JC isn't just a financial decision but a flexibility decision on championship roster building. This looks designed to stop player collusion mid season and give greater parity among playoff teams chasing waived players.

Yeah, I can understand that now, sometimes you have to make the toughest choices to get what you want.  John was a good player that left it on the court each and every game, part of me would love for him to stay as a Hawk for a long time but you need flexibility in this NBA world now.  

Like I say, NBA is going to down to two schools of building teams.  The Phoenix way and the Denver way.  I dont know which path they will choose but Denver way is much more accessible than Phoenix way.

1 minute ago, NBASupes said:

That's the player Atlanta is targeting but the issue is Miami is his priority. 

Just got word that Dame does NOT want to go to Philly and Brooklyn doesn't have the assets. 

Miami is in the driver's seat. They just gotta find a 3rd team who's willing to fund the deal for Portland. 

I would think that the Spurs would fund the deal for some picks 

Just now, Peoriabird said:

Just a lot of fan 2K sports garbage...They know these proposals make no sense

@Peoriabird

He was just asking a question not coming up with 2k sports garbage besides @Gray Mule will not come up with something like that as a trade proposal.

Probably going to Miami.  Oh well, at least we save money on what I dont know and we are the one of the youngest teams in the league and we want to get even younger?

5 minutes ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

So which one are we?   Or aspire to be?

That is the million dollar question right there!  Where do this team want to be right now.