SalvorMallow

9 points between our 2 centers vs 11 for Bitadze. We gotta get some sort of scoring production out of that position. Clint really didn't have it tonight on offense and OO plays like he's not even interested in scoring. 

2 minutes ago, SalvorMallow said:

Second game out of the last 3 where we have Jalen in in clutch time playing weak defense to avoid fouling out. 

Or not I guess? Only had 4 fouls? 

Just now, kg01 said:

And guarding him with a guy that has 5? 

Second game out of the last 3 where we have Jalen in in clutch time playing weak defense to avoid fouling out. 

2 minutes ago, Diesel said:

If you can name the things that Nate was fired for...

Can you name the difference in Quin?

We are missing free throws left and right. 

Hard to blame Quin for this one. 

The defensive scheme can't be for Bogi to sag off of the corner all the way under the rim....could it?

OO3!!! 

1 minute ago, Bonzaii58 said:

I’m not sure how all of this will play out. But if they don’t bring in another star with Trae then I can’t imagine him wanting to stay here beyond this summer. And If he doesn’t make all star I can see that contributing to his frustration too. 
 

it’s unfortunate but it is what it is. I really wish we’d just push all of our chips in and go for a star now. It’s not like time is on our side before Trae asks out anyway. The only saving grace may be his relationship with Quin Snyder but we HAVE to make moves soon to show we’re serious. 

Where is this narrative coming from? I haven't seen anything reported that can be construed as Trae wanting to leave Atlanta. 

2 minutes ago, kg01 said:

Ngl, I wouldn't mind a little Cam akshun ... Cam Johnson that is.  That other dude is trash.  Cam Thomas cam't play, jmho. 

That opinion is well supported. Hold your nose and look at this last 5 games, some of the worst lines I've seen in awhile... I literally didn't even know you could have a negative game score.

1 minute ago, Spud2nique said:

I get the info you give us but was this necessary? Or are we being dramatic like ?

 

And if you don’t then what? They gonna kidnap @kg01? Threats, all threats. 
 

 

@Sothron Have you heard if AJ is refusing to go play minutes in the G-League, he's not mentally ready to play, or we really just prefer him sitting on the bench? That is one aspect of this season that hasn't made any sense to me.

3 minutes ago, Sothron said:

The Harden trade is the closest off the top of my head. To be fair we had Murray longer than six months too.

Great example, thanks mang.

6 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

It's not so much 'worst case scenario' it's just that 'IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING' preventing us from taking the next step.

If anything, I would call threatening to trade a player to empower our organization at the contract negotiating table a shrewd move by our GM, and it worked. Let's see how they can flip the great value contract they landed to get some talent that fits around Trae before we raise the white flag.

We don't really have any value contracts from the Schlenk era (other than rookie deals), so there is a silver lining here.

3 minutes ago, Sothron said:

To be fair anything myself or anyone else posits on this forum is "opinion" unless it is a verifiable objective truth which falls under "fact". Think about all the times a GM or coach is fired in all sports. Then think about how many times an owner or GM said they made a mistake with the firing. How many times has that actually been said in public? Does that mean it isn't true because it was never established as "fact"?

I am not suggesting DJ is running a Ponzi scheme. He was not going to sign that extension because it was financially idiotic for him to do so. Then the Hawks told him he was going to be moved to Toronto for Siakam and he said no, I'll sign the extension instead. That is why he signed it.

I was asked not to say why from a Hawks source. The source @JayBirdHawk quoted for this is from Toronto. My guess is the Raps or Klutch leaked that on purpose to them at the time it happened. Now it comes out when all the rumors about DJM getting traded are heating up. Think about the scenario: Hawks source asks a non media "insider" to not speak about. Source wanted to protect DJ's image and rep to Hawks fans. 

DJM signing the extension stopped that trade, paid him well and gives him a good contract to make it easier for the Hawks to trade him. It is a win/win for all involved. DJM has no ill will to the Hawks or any coach or player. It just didn't work out and he wants out. The team agrees with him. If they could undo that trade they would have. 

I am not trying to go after anyone's character. I never said I blamed DJM or resented why he wants out or anything like it. I frankly resent that accusation. I like Murray. I have his Hawks jersey, actually, as a Christmas present last year from my parents. He's a good player and a good person. I have a self imposed obligation to pass long what I hear and what I trust after years of being an "insider" to the fans here. If that comes across as some kind of personal agenda or bias then I apologize but it is certainly not the intention.

When's the last time a team gave up so much draft capital for a player and then turned around and traded them at a huge loss less than 6 months later? I can't think of any time.

30 minutes ago, JeffS17 said:

I genuinely appreciate your contributions to this forum, but I think this comment, while maybe rooted in some fact or snippet or conversation, is by definition heavily editorialized by either you or your source, which makes it an opinion, not a fact.  Just calling that out for others on this board, because I don't think it's generally helpful to view things in such a pessimistic way, even if there's some circumstantial evidence (at best) to support those opinions.  Even in the case Tony truly regrets firing Schlenk, I certainly do not care about Schlenk being gone.  Schlenk's fatal flaw building out our roster was overpaying guys, and that will always be the death knell for any squad, regardless of how talented they are.

And I think suggesting DJ is running some elaborate scheme where he's disingenuously being grateful for that contract is also just your opinion.  I'm sure there were conversations about fit and long term options, but this is pretty disrespectful to Murray imo.  He's not a politician... feels like a lot of history rewriting in this thread.

Well said and I agree. The doom and gloom in this thread is palpable, but mainly stemming from a serious case of extrapolation and assumptions to support a preordained "worst case scenario".

Schlenk made some terrible extensions that handcuffed our franchise, let's not act like he was the second coming of Bob Myers.

6 minutes ago, Diesel said:

DJM is eligible for trade.   So the hint may mean that the person that we're trading for is not.   Not until Jan 15. 

Dieselputer speculation says...If you believe this rumor... the trade may be   DJ, Patty Mills for Austin Reaves, Gabe Vincent, Jaxson Hayes and a 2028 FRP.

 

2 hours ago, Spud2nique said:

I don’t remember a damn time this season where Hunter’s primary defense was the reason we won a game.

Remember waaaay back in October 2021 when we were still in the throws of COVID and Hunter locked up Luka in our first game of the season? That was the last time I remember thinking we won a game from Hunters defense. He then proceeded to miss a third of the season. 

3 minutes ago, Spud2nique said:

Good Lord I just saw the finals score at work. Wtf !!!! Ummm do I need to watch this or throw it away? @JayBirdHawk @kg01 @whoeverelsewatcheditandhasthoughts

 

  damn a Buck fity doh geeez.

I've watched almost every game this year in full and I turned it off. Absolutely awful game with no redeeming qualities (except DJ scored well).

Griffin and Lundy sighting!

Just now, benhillboy said:

This was one of the more obvious gameplans to attack (poor and slow footed) close outs from the Pacers as I’ve seen.  They slick toyed with the Hawks in the first half.  I‘m no Dre fan but our perimeter defense would’ve looked “better” with him no question.

Absolutely true. Hard to have worse defense at the 3 than Bey.

Why are the starters still out there? Is Quin trying to teach them a lesson?