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Yes Travis wants to defuse, any good GM would want that. As for actual trade discussion and potential trades actually happening? Almost certain.

He meant Utah wanted those two. As for a deal happening between Utah and Atlanta. I think it gets done. Utah will be desperate to move Gobert as things keep souring like Ayton. Ayton is a much harder deal and I'm sure Atlanta knows that. You have the Suns with James Jones & Ayton personally as well to convince.

Why today vs. next week? A whole weekend more of smoke and speculation as opposed to moving on to the real issue which is identifying a shooting guard. Also I don’t believe the Hawks are looking to move up in the draft so I’d like to know if they are or just trading 16.

Here it is! We will see if we stick with it. As much as I love debating the worthiness of John Collins or Bogi’s Knees or what you had for breakfast, I’d like a pure rumor thread for all NBA and Hawks specific trades and signings. Team direction and other ongoing arguments can be discussed further in the other thread. I’m hoping the Gobert trade is done today instead of the waiting until the 23rd but I’m sure that is just wishful thinking with Danny “War Chest” Ainge involved.

That may be true if we keep 16. I wonder if Travis can convince Utah to take CHA's protected pick next year so we can keep 16. Send Utah Capela/Hunter/CHA 2023 and get Gobert and Williams. You then avoid paying the Hunter extension as well.

Hunter is absolutely a weak link especially in a contract year. The gamble is that he has a big leap up in year 4 like Jaylen Brown did and figure it out. 50/50 chance at that. I'm sure the FO is really debating whether to ship him away to Utah or keep him on his rookie extension.

Masai is not letting go of OG. That ship gonna sail. One of the most team friendly contracts if not the most.

I never thought they were seriously considering anyone else. It’s going to be one of the 3 but they are preparing for Banchero. I can imagine the Jazz FO has the Capela/Huerter/16 offer on their table and they have tried every angle to get either added or swapped Collins/Hunter/additional picks. It’s a waiting game of chicken until free agency before the Ayton smoke clears if Jazz stay stubborn. I’d bet the Hawks will be fine with them taking the Jazz trade as structured by the Hawks and the Ayton structure would be leverage or 2nd deal smoke by the Atlanta front office/agents to spook Jazz. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see if Detroit throws a max offer and Phoenix doesn’t match. They gonna need to take a bare bottom offer if Atlanta takes Gobert. James Jones might get torched. He can easily get outleveraged quick with Gobert gone.

Christian Wood is not an upgrade. For scraps yeah but he can be a headcase with no defense. Dallas out of the center market. Also more importantly a domino has fallen so closer to having our smoke clear

Check the source. Dude is basically the equivalent of a twitter bot account.

Question to throw out there… Assuming there is an agreed upon framework, do you think any trades will be submitted before draft day or just at draft day… I’m wondering if it just comes down to leveraging down to the minute like Brooklyn and Philly did with the Ben trade or if the deal is pretty much going to be it. Mainly referencing any John Collins, Gobert, or Grant trades because that seems to be where a lot of smoke is. Judging from history it seems likely that a wojbomb on any of those players won’t come until the 23rd so 7 more days of smoke.

Also, as a side note I’ve seen the Jazz fans pick up a Capela/Collins trade for Gobert and they are lapping it up. That is on the same level that idiot Knicks fans dream of. Seems like some of their people got the wires crossed and ran with it. Atlanta will never offer that deal. It will be Capela/Huerter/16 final offer or no deal.

If you want to side debate John Collins please start another thread. Please post about trade rumors or signings here.

I think moreso than handling it is his consistency. He disappears sometimes due to yielding to the guards. He certainly fits a different mold (wing slasher) than ball handler like Brown. He has to turn on the switch and keep it on all game. Maybe that is a maturity thing but if it is an actual personality thing than he could suffer and decline.

I'm drooling at the prospect of DeAndre making a year 4 jump like Jaylen Brown did... https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html Now, if only that happens then that can be something big for us. Jaylen's seemed log-jammed behind Kyrie and Marcus and once Kyrie was gone that made a difference. I wonder if DeAndre could recognize his need if our shooting guards didn't try and do all the slashing instead of Dre.

There is absolutely no doubt we would get better defensively with Gobert. BUT, if you add him while just using Capela and Huerter you can still get massively better on perimeter defense. Nobody said you can't do both. What people fail to realize is Utah never tried to get better defensively on the perimeter. Plus we have a potential defensive star wing if he can get past a hump. Get a defensive/offensive star shooting guard like Paul George and you start rolling.

It all comes down to Utah settling for Huerter instead of Hunter. Does anyone know of a compelling competition potential trade? NOT Jerami Grant plus trash for Gobert.

Which salary year are you using for Huerter? Try using the 2022-2023 salary year when the trade actually finalizes. Also the https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine is better than ESPN.

My gut feeling is on draft day (23rd) the Jazz pull the trigger on Gobert for Capela, Huerter and 16. They waive Gallo (29th) and pursue some 15-20 ppg shooting guard somewhere (June 30). Also, the 44th will be sold for cash to make paying luxury seem worthwhile. Also, I feel like somebody knows about the framework with the Jazz and spilled the beans somewhere maybe to get a beat and final offer. I also think JC will NOT be traded before the season begins.

DeAndre Ayton needs more floor time. They only kept him out there 30 mins a game because they had McGee needing touches. The guy was a baller in high school / college / and now at Phoenix helping them reach the finals. Not sure how OO would fit a rotation with Ayton but the Hawks defensive issues and dunking aren’t at fault of the center/forwards. Our small forward needs to be more aggressive on the slashing and we don’t have a star shooting guard. Nothing wrong with John Collins but he could be a key asset to fix the star shooting guard issue.

Trade and Signings Rumors Please…

It is very unlikely we stay young and keep draft picks while Trae is at this level.

The real question is what internally do they think the following players are going to contribute to a finals or championship team: Huerter Bogi Collins Capela Gallo Building around a core of Trae, Delon, Hunter, and OO could be good for a few years (3x Top 6 picks) problem is the rest of the cap is taken up by role players not stars that get buckets in championship situations like Tatum and Brown on the Celtics (2 stars) or Jrue and Giannis on the Bucks. If you want to win games you keep everyone. If you want to win a championship you must switch those players out for 1-2 stars. A star in my opinion is KAT, Gobert, or some other top 15-20 PER player.

If you have questions on why some players are being shopped and some aren’t then just look at player development. If management thinks a player has peaked in their development it is time to sell or keep. If a player is on a rookie contract and still developing the smart thing would be to only trade them if they don’t have measureables or is a locker room disturbance or is caught in position log jam with a better player ahead of them that is roughly around the same time of their development. John Collins, Kevin Huerter, Bogi, and Capela all fit the mold of the first part. If you can separate the player relationships to the roster management and see the chess pieces on the board for what they truly are then maybe some of y’all can understand future moves before they happen.

If a player's name has enough smoke on the rumor mill, they're on the block. For instance, Ben Simmons. Was on the block with 76er's, now isn't with Brooklyn. On the block means to me that they are expected and the team is willing to trade them. Any other explanation or clarification is a waste of time. I would trust the general rumor mill and activity than one-given source. The NBA works like this.. somebody somewhere wants smoke out there on a player. Could be an agent, could be an AGM, could be a scout, could be a player themselves, could be a writer. That is why you see some players names out there and many other tradeable names not.