His teammates were missing open jumpers and we played Orlando smart. We played tight defense on all of their shooters with Marvin, Joe, and Hinrich and forced Orlando to force their offense. This is such as strawman Hots. You said he was limited but you are moving the goalpost. He avg 27 and 15.5 v. Collins. How was he offensively limited. When I think of offensively limited, I think of Aisk, Tony Allen, Deke, not D12 at all.