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Cool. Ain't no one forcing you to do anything. You already came to this decision months ago. As I said on RealGM, Edey won't be able to change any naysayers opinions. He will only sway neutrals which he has and his believers are already sold on him Cool, lmao. I thought this was gonna be the talented kid going to Duke. Lmao, you always fall in love with random 2nd rounders.

My biggest argument is, we want KAT. At center, KAT would be a liability for us on defense. Minnesota traded 4 1sts, Kessler, Beasley, and Vando because they felt they needed a center next to KAT. Edey is better than KAT at center defensively and you have no quarrels with KAT. That said, Edey would be our worse defender as a 5 as CC, OO, and Bruno. We would have to work with him as an overall defender and develop him. He's not NBA ready on that end like Clingan is or what Kessler was. That said, we had Dedmon who's a tier better than rookie Edey and Edey isn't far from Dedmon as a drop coverage 5. Edey is better as a drop coverage 5 than Len was for us. Easily better than Damian Jones was for us as a drop coverage 5. I don't see him as a defensive liability at the 5 like JC or Jabari was at times. But he will clearly have growing pains as most NBA players do on that end as rookies. That's why we still have CC as the vet. Every player has to adjust to the NBA rules. Edey isn't alone in that. You got better defensive schemes in the NBA has he also has better players around him. JJ covers ground exceptionally well. That will help. These are questions every NBA prospect has to answer. You are literally talking about one of the highest feel, awareness, and BBIQ guys in college. Come on, we aren't talking about a JaVale McGee. https://tankathon.com/players/zach-edey You don't put these numbers up for no reason. He's never going to have the offensive versatility of Embiid, Joker, or KAT. Poor fluidity makes that impossible. He already has a define offensive skill set. One which plays perfectly into the strengths of Trae Young. I don't see what's so difficult about this. No he isn't. He's getting grades in the 20-40 range. Just say, you value him more.

Yeah, everyone Boban played is massively better than a clown like Kel'el Ware

The Hawks run floppy and horns a lot. In fact, with Trae, they run freelance 1-5 PnR which has the same screen and re-sceeen action Purdue does with Smith or Jones with Edey. While I doubt we will add a post variation as that's what Purdue has to do, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't post up. We seem Jabari and Bruno do it with Trae. Especially Jabari Parker. We had one of the best offenses in that time period with Jabari post up being a big part of the offense when JC was suspended for steroids. He has plenty of times he goes up high with the ball. He gets plenty of touches so we have massive sample size to go off of what we like and don't like from his post ups. 82% percentile ain't great for a NBA prospect from the post but his volume is insane. No one has that. We can implement his post ups but we have to ability to focus on the good. Which is positioning, going up high, etc. That's under our control if he's here. Most of his buckets are off of 0-1 dribble but we have seen him pass out of doubles a lot more this year. Look at his Illnois game or March Madness games like Gonzaga for example Feed the post does a really good job of showcasing what Purdue is doing on a game to game basis. https://m.youtube.com/@FeedthePost/videos

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That's what you do for horns, floppy and the other sets Purdue constantly runs. You just gotta set the screen which is difficult and he does it better than anyone else. The Edey post up is their favorite play like the 1-5 PnR with Trae for us. They will create variations to get Edey quality post ups where he has the advantage. That's simply how Purdue plays this year with Edey.

Gafford has more offensive versatility than Lively, sure but it hasn't been all that impactful till he landed with Luka. He was doing this is Washington for years and getting terrible impact metrics. No shock, life is a lot easier when your ball handler is Luka but still, that matters to me. If you think Edey does that every time down, I don't know what to tell you. He literally had a potential 13 screen assists in just the National Championship game but I guess you weren't paying attention to that or his screen assists in general. You can't do that unless you are setting screens and often. Sam Vecenie says he's easily the best screener in this draft and Clingan is one of the best to enter. It's just that Edey is the best to enter the NBA draft. He's better than Gobert and Sabonis right now at screening. Way better than Capela and I track CC screening as well as Edey. When I here Edey naysayers, this is really their problem Poor fluidity on full display. He completely beat his man to the spot but instead of going on and beasting on his man like Shaq, he of course gets fouled but it doesn't look like what you expect with these numbers. They don't care that he's relentless. They don't care that his motor, feel, BBIQ, awareness, and movement skills is exceptional. They see this. They see how slow he is on the action and that's where they get hung up. This happens a bit more than you would like. It's just the worse one. To me, one of the biggest reasons why Purdue were the clear 2nd best team was due to their PnR play and Edey screens. They were more valuable than his post up play Yes you do, it happens every game. It's like you never watched Purdue play once this year with a terrible statement like this. They run horns and floppy with Edey more than anything else.

Ain't no one saying he's Lively or Gafford athletically. He's literally 70 pounds bigger than both of them. He's 3 inches taller than Lively and 6 inches taller than Gafford. Those guys exclusively use speed and explosiveness as they are wiry. This is common sense. This is not hard to understand. You seem to have extreme difficulty with that. The issue I have with you is Edey is a freak athlete for his size even if he's just below average overall for a center like Clingan but for their size, they are very athletic and they produce because of it. It's like you are having the hardest time coming to that realization. His game was more modern at that time. Edey game got a lot more modern this year. It's not hard to explain. Edey has made himself a world class screener. He needed to do that. He improved his footwork, Mobility, ability to defend in space. These things Lively was already doing as a freshman. Edey wasn't or wasn't as good as he is now. That's the difference. When you draft Lively, you know you are getting an tremendous athlete who's 7'1, has tremendous pace and explosiveness who can switch, rim protect and while he's not much of a paint protector, he's young and still developing. Offensively, he has the big man movement package. He's more of a lob threat and rim runner type but like all BMM, he's at the very least, a good screener. He can even slip pretty good as well. Good feel and BBIQ. Lively is extremely limited offensively but he got some qualities and they fit Luka well.

You hate facts, I would hate to see you on Jeopardy

Neither of them offer offensive versatility. They barely do anything beyond big man movement which Edey does way better than they do right now. This must be a joke

Gafford has spent most of his career as a negative impact player with good production. He's great with Luka in his current role. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gaffoda01.html Lively is clearly better on defense than Edey but what did Edey do to him at Duke last year. What did Lively do on offense to Edey? https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/boxscores/2022-11-27-15-purdue.html 0 points 0 TS% 36 Offensive Rating 3 shots and attempted two 3s because he couldn't even get an attempt off on Edey. Quit playing with me. This is disgraceful! Landry, you better promise Zach right now and end this tomfoolery.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2023.html https://tankathon.com/players/dereck-lively-ii This year https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DAL/2024.html https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/livelde01.html Lively II and Gafford have been insane in terms of on court, off court. Generally, centers that even decently fit Luka, Harden, and Trae are better than they were previously with them but look at them now. Lively II is scoring more in the NBA as a rookie than he did in college as a freshman. He is the first big to do that since Shaq outside of Wemby who also did it this year. Dallas won 12 more games this year with Lively II and got post ASB depth with Gafford.

Yep.

Knicks, let me give you some advice, Embiid can beat you by himself. You need a lot of bodies

But it will happen if we take him just like Dallas fortune changed with Lively II Luka like Trae uses the center as an extention of himself

Yep. Murray proved during the Trae being hurt that he's easily a top 10 PG in the NBA. Pay up baby!

It's not a hard post. It's obvious to me. The Hawks need what the Mavs needed last year. Capable Centers that fit their stud. While Lively II and Gafford aren't good offensive players. They are legit specialist and both have a direct skill set that benefits Luka and they pair well together and both are young or in their primes. CC is washed. OO doesn't fit Bruno clearly doesn't fit Trae but he's nice to have as a 3rd stringer like Forrest. Hard workers who want it bad

Phoenix and soon NO will show you why you Need a PG in today's NBA. If you want Murray, that dude is gonna cost you

It's not a hard fix Get Edey or to a lesser extent, Clingan. Edey fixes all of our critical issues. Clingan fix most of our critical issues.

It's not about being franchise changers for most teams, it's about being franchise changers for us. We have one of the few players with Luka and Harden that uses the center an extention of himself. We must get the best offensive center we can find to utilize it

We have a very productive, average offense with Trae. We need elite production and an elite offense. No lulls. You know what we are going to do and you simply can't stop it because our players are better than your players and we execute better because we are simply better.

We lost those games on offense. Turnover happy, can't score easy baskets, them exploiting Trae but us having issues exploiting their defense. They killed us in transition too. Ball and Scary Terry was feasting

There is no scenario that's bad if we add Edey or to a lesser degree, Clingan. Almost every bad scenario is where we don't come away with Edey, Clingan or trade for KAT or Embiid who's off the market and we have no assets to get Embiid nor does he want to come here.

This is sophomore Edey who was completely inferior to Junior much less Senior Zach Edey. He was used a lot as a lob threat as his guards was more capable of these passes than his current guards of the last two years. I feel like this gets asked a ton by some guys. He's not slow, other than NBA Combine numbers which are here, he is moving really well live. Even KB favorite site, No Ceilings dispels the allegations Even one of the few things KB has admitted is Edey is smart and has high mental acuity. My belief is, defensively, it will take time but he will overall have a close to positive impact. Wouldn't shock me if his defensive RAPTOR is a -0.2 to 0.2 range. His offensive RAPTOR is what I care about. I believe he's capable of a +4 offensive RAPTOR. No rookie in the modern NBA has done that. Also, watch if Trae can touch +10 offensive RAPTOR with Edey. Both will help each other massively. I think Trae could pass +11 which is the greatest offensive season ever by Steph Curry in 15-16.