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0 rings since 1968. 0 championship appearances. I'd say we have been on that road for a long time. I do give you credit for sticking to your guns and somehow seeing into the future. Even if no one knows what will happen. I'm sure Warriors fan said the same thing. Or Cavs fans...

Different ownership, different GM. At this point I think we can all agree all we want is to have a shot at a ring in our lifetimes. Let's just ride it out like we have before and see what happens.

100% of Atlanta Hawks teams have never won a championship, or even been to the finals. 4% seems better than the 0% we were on.

Ah ha! So yes they don't move without other superstars. We haven't had one since Nique. This is the chicken or egg question. How do you get a superstar without a superstar? LeBron was drafted, Curry was drafted, so on and so on. All I wanted since Niwue left was another superstar so that we could have a shot at a ring. None came, none got drafted, we sat in hell since. So what of we try another way to get one? What were we doing before that was so special as to have a chance to get one? All I'm saying is we are where we are. It's done. Now let's hope this path gets us a superstar. Not like we had one before.

I would argue no one has wanted to play for us anyway. What superstar has wanted to come to Atlanta?

We were already losers for eternity, prove me wrong. How many championships have we played for? So to flip your logic on you. Let's try to keep together a team that has zero chance of winning a ring, that we can't add the superstar needed to win one, just so we can feel good that we made the playoffs and not win a ring for eternity.

This is what I don't understand from those who didn't want to go down this road we are on. We weren't any closer to a ring then, then we are now. But just being in the playoffs was apparently enough for them. This team has 0 rings. So 3 years, 5 years, 10 years, what is the difference? We weren't getting one with a core we couldn't keep together and a core we couldn't add a superstar to.

I get the cash and I get fundamentally the way to treat players, but when has treating players right actually netted us anything? I'm fine with the move for cash, it just bothers me the flaw in the NBA when it comes to the trade deadline and how seemingly easy it is for some teams to trade, get pieces, and acquire picks and how it hard it is for other teams. Its the similar flaw in free agency. This is a business and while financially it saves more for the future, it does little else. I guess I was hoping we could have still gotten some value that would bring talent in at some point, since as we all know our history of getting it in FA is marginal at best.

KJ was underrated let's be honest.

That is my question above. What sense did this make other than some cash? I mean it lowers your ability in the future seasons if teams are just like, screw trading, we will wait for a buyout and not lose much.

Looks like a buyout for Marco. Hey couldn't get anything in trade, this makes sense?

In no specific order Kareem Kobe Wilt Duncan LeBron Magic Oscar Robertson Dr. J Shaq Bill Russell I would have to say there is a bunch in the next group that could be argued for a top 10 spot. Jordan, Thomas, Stockton, Malone, Drexler, Kidd, Nique, Marovich, I could go on, but this is what it is.

We were relevant when we had Nique and just about every game was on TBS. But yeah, I get what you are saying. Been a fan over 30 years myself.

Half a season, shit for brains GM....makes sense. Except it doesn't. At all. Are you always this angry and unreasonable?

It doesn't fit the narrative that getting rid of an aging team that was going no where and had zero shot at ever winning a title, to get picks will lead to years and years of utter failure and misery. Remember, because the team isn't playoff fodder anymore it is destined to be stuck in the bottom of the league for the rest of time and has no hopes of ever becoming a good team again.

This first few sentences is where we all differ. You think being in the playoffs we had a shot. Many of us knew that even though we made the playoffs we didn't have a chance. Without that one player who can carry the team when needed, the chances are zero beating the teams that do. As we saw against the Cavs.

Competitive is subjective. We are losing, but being competitive while doing so. Now if you are talking about winning it all? When have we ever been competitive there?

Yeah either way this team went last year it was going to be the same result, no chance at a ring. Not saying we have one now, but at least there is a small chance at a superstar now. We had a zero percent chance before.

This. So much this.

What I don't get is what people thought could and would actually happen. I mean we had a roster that was slowly getting worse, we couldn't keep the talent we had, and we couldn't get high quality talent in. I agree this might take a few years, it wasn't like we were contending for a ring anyway. I get the idea of morale and such, but if there is a clear path the first year or 2 shouldn't be so heartbreaking for players and staff. They know what the road forward is and have a clear understanding of the intent. Now if it goes beyond 3 or 4 years, I can see the morale becoming an issue, but I just don't see it now. I can buy the idea of 2 or so years in the lottery, completely there in my head. No illusions otherwise. But to say this is a 5 or 6 year thing, eh, not there. Player evaluation is the key to every team no matter where they are in the pecking order. It is about finding the best pieces to accomplish what you want. I'll roll with it for a while, and I can accept it. I want to see a ring for the Hawks before I die. Maybe this path works, maybe it doesn't. What I do know is we weren't sniffing one the road we were on.

I'm just busy. But I'll post from time to time for the conversation (yes even the tank/no tank ones) to see other perspectives. Right now there isn't a ton to talk about as we all know the direction of the team this season. Most are in a wait and see mode for off-season discussion. But I will look at a lot of posts to get some viewpoints to think about even if I don't join the convo.

Exactly, so we didn't have a winning culture when we made the playoffs the last ten years? So what is the difference if we try a rebuild vs the path we were on?

A losing culture? Dog, it's been 10 years of playoffs and now only 15 games into a rebuild season. I'm not saying next year we are championship bound or anything, but wow.

You can have a winning culture and not get free agents to get you over the hump to be a championship contender too. I think we all know a team like that.