noble

You say us predicting a bad season is whining. No, it is us looking at the roster and saying what we think will happen. It diesnt have to ve sunny and positive all the time. I'm fine with losing a ton of games as long as it nets us a great draft pick and we pick it well. Just because we think the team will be bad this season doesn't mean we aren't fans or won't watch, it just means we aren't expecting the playoffs or to win a lot of games.

I know. I was just saying what he is listed on the depth chart at this moment. I'm not negative I'm realistic that we are in a rebuild. I'm not buying Schlenk saying he thinks this team will be competitive. I'm fine with laying an egg as long as the team gets built the right way.

That is why I think you are hyped.

Ok so you are hyped for this team. That makes one. I can't honestly believe anyone thinks this team is even close to the team it was last year. If we make the playoffs it will be one of the best coaching jobs in the history of the NBA.

Milsap was coming off the bench? What? Have you been smoking or drinking tonight? Bembry is listed as the backup SF. But the fact we are even talking about relying on Dorsey and Belinelli and Bembry as our PG backups should give pause.

I was just answering what you asked. My personal opinion is we will be lucky to win 25. All i know is if we are going to be bad, i would rather miss the playoffs and get a chance in the lottery. We sneak in at the 8th seed I think it could slow the rebuild a little.

Dedmon and Ily. Ok so I can buy 2nd stringers as starters. And Dorsey is 3rd string right now on the depth chart not 4th.

30, maybe, if Schröder can be more consistent, the rookies develop quickly, and the backups we are using as starters play to their per 36 stats.

No I think we will be the 3rd worst because we have nobody who can score consistently, are relying on a ton of rookies, and are using backups and 3rd stringers as starters. I think we will have the 3rd worst record because we have very little veteran presence and got rid of the most consistent parts of this team.

You can't be that obtuse. Nicolas Brussino and Diamond Stone are Patrick McCaw like. Collins is an unknown commodity.

He meant to say end if the bench role players. Not team them with a star and you have a competitive team role players. Klay Thompson and Patrick McCaw are role players for the Warriors, but there is a huge difference in their roles. We got Patrick McCaw type role players.

I'm not sure we need more developmental players at this point, we have plenty. What they need is a veteran presence and someone who scores more than 3 points a game. I don't care what round he was picked in. He isn't very good, not sure he is even 3rd string quality.

Other than his stats and meh play?

For one season? My guess would be no. But hey they will need to find ways to get butts in the seats.

When people are suggesting Calderon you know the FA market is thin lol.

Agreed. I still have an issue with the track record so far. Competitive and then backtracks. We will offer Milsap our best offer, offers nothing. Taking a step back, so I worry we will take 2. Yeah, we have a very low season ticket holder number. I do think he might do better with the fan base and the league if he at least followed through on his statements or at least didn't leave people guessing. Valid, but right now there is very experience on this team and even less scoring ability.

That hurts to read. Ouch.

As of yesterday there was just interest. No deal has been signed. But I think we all get that when we are talking Lawson as the "quality veteran backup" we know we are at the bottom of the barrel.

Thanks I did forget Ily. But you get the idea. I am fine with developmental plans, but what is driving me crazy is Schlenk not being up front. I would rather be told what the plan is as a fan then left to wonder what the hell he is doing lol.

Let's just come up with a new term for this. Let's call the Hawks plan Winning by Losing or maybe Lottery by Youth.

I'm worried about this as well, I am also worried we get a lottery pick and either blow it completely or get the most ping pong balls and still end up with the 4th pick.

This isn't so much a discussion on Rose as much as it is about the current roster and lack of veterans leadership of any form (I mean come on Bellini has 10 years exp, after that it is Baze and Plumlee with 5 and Schröder with 4). We currently have one true PG on the roster and not much of quality behind him. I am curious how Schlenk can say he wants to remain competitive and has said he wants to get some vets, but has done little to nothing to do either. Let me be clear, I am all for the youth movement and flexibility. I am also for trying to get quality in the draft. I am not for being told one thing then seeing another. Whether Rose is or is not the guy, it shows just how little is left in FA and what this roster looks like right now. What's left? Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, Isaiah Canaan?

At this point there very little on the market that anyone wants. I am not a fan if Rose, but everytime I look at our roster I throw up in my mouth a little lol.

I think it why there is so much confusion in all of these discussions. Schlenk says one thing and either does something else or nothing at all. I get we are rolling out youth, acquiring picks, money, and hoping for a lottery pick or a generational superstar. But saying you want to remain competitive and then not getting any veteran presence and trotting out this roster goes against that.

Apparently Cleveland offered Derrick Rose a league minimum deal for 2 years. I would have taken that deal. We need some type of veteran backup and leadership.