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Hnnng

Let's see. Schlenk is from Kansas. The Hawks used to be in St. Louis....I think I figured out the plan.

Haha that is awesome

He averaged less than 1 assist per game this season. I read some pre draft thing on him that said he turns over the ball a lot due to his passing.

Unless he can improve his defense, Horf will be the better player. Collins looks like he can score, but man the dude is awful on defense as of today.

But, but, but......we don't care! Sign someone to develop!

It just seems odd that they would not sign anyone. I know Schlenk gave everyone the day off supposedly, but what?

So have we really not reached out to anyone or signed anyone? It just seems odd with the open spaces on the roster.

The same argument you made is the same argument fans on the other side make of why they complain. It is the fanbase that wants more and wants to be on a national stage and taken seriously. We have all heard it and seen it. Atlanta can't attract free agents, Atlanta has a terrible draft history, Atlanta has poor fan showings, etc etc...like you and every true Hawks fan on here we want to be taken seriously, we want to be great. The issue is at this point the fanbase is in a give me something to believe in mode. So yes, until a title comes, or at least a real title shot, fans are going to complain and be angry. It is what fans do, well a lot of them. Now, I am not a fan of the moves so far, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to get somewhere. I just know right now we are so far from a real run at the title it is just more years to wait. But hey, let's see where we are in a few years, we have waited this long, what is the harm in waiting more? It doesn't mean we have to agree with the moves being made.

It's the history of this team. Until something different happens we feel we are on a treadmill.

I think Schlenk got confused too

Nope and nope. The NBA drives me crazy with this stacking of players on teams while everyone just sits and waits for a Finals everyone predicted 2 years ago. I mean why did we even have a season the last few years? I love the Hawks, but man it is frustrating going into a season and knowing you don't have a shot before the season even starts.

So basically the same place we are now with an even longer timeline for a rebuild?

Prior to Nique I was a Dr. J fan. My dad loved watching him and since I lived in NJ I was a fan myself. I quickly became a Nique fan after and loved watching the Hawks on TBS every chance I got. Sometimes I still wonder why I have never switched teams, but I just stayed true to my team regardless of who was on it. I still get angry at the Hawks for the trade when I think about it and just like to think Nique retired rather than actually played for other teams. However, that trade pretty much sent this team to hell, even today. We all celebrate playoff appearances, but let's be honest with ourselves, have we really thought we had a chance at a championship? No, probably not. Even the 60 win team, you felt like they were built for the regular season and as usual the Hawks would fall short in the playoffs, and of course we all know what happened. Nique was the only thing that we can all agree gave this team hope of a championship. We haven't had a player like him since. We are on the treadmill for middle to late round picks, make the playoffs, rinse, repeat.

I agree it is a smart one. But I don't think we should even negotiate at this point. Let him walk and seriously blow this whole thing up. I dont know but I am so sick and tired of the mindset making the playoffs is the goal and we should be happy with that instead of having a real contending team. I would take a superstar I could be excited about. I miss Nique...lol.

A lot of people thought otherwise on this forum or at least resign him. Doubt that happens too. So what do you do?

Is it time for a real rebuild? What moves do you all think should happen now?

Honestly at this point I would say do everything possible to bring in a guy who you can ride. You know a star. One that makes his own shots, can carry a team on bad nights, and be feared. My guess is they will grab some more roster fodder, keep Baze, barely make the playoffs and try to sell us on that is the goal.

Sap came out today saying he was most likely opting out.

Easy answer to this. We have always been a team that was good but not great and has stayed that way almost the entire existence of the franchise. We were either good or bad, but either way we stayed a middle of the pack team who has never been taken seriously as a contender. Not to mention many people for some reason still consider them a fairly new team. Something we are not.

Now that Sap wants to explore FA and will most likely walk. Blow it up and try like hell to get a superstar type player in the draft any way possible. Rebuild with the very few quality pieces you have and actually try to build a winner. The defense has been good, but man this offense has been terrible.

I guess you hadn't also heard they are shopping Thabo as well then huh?

Here's the other thing you all are missing. It would seem that they are going to stockpile and try to move up in the draft. First Korver, now they are shopping both Sap and Thabo. If they can get some assets for a draft day trade they may be trying to get a franchise style player. Now, I don't personally have that much faith in the powers that be in Atlanta, but if they do pull something like this off, it could change and help the franchise....but this is the Hawks, so you never know.

If you listened to Donaghy during the finals he predicted every ref assignment days before it was announced. Just look at the game Curry was kicked out of. Watch the fouls he was called on. Or the crotch kicks. One wasn't called, the one to LeBron was a suspension. They way Donaghy explains it before the games the NBA gathers the refs for that game and tells them what they want called more and what they want called less.

And most fans don't listen sadly.