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All these agendas...lol.

Anywho, name the other teams in the east you'll put ahead of the Hawks and you'll be surprised to see the Hawks are still probably the 7th or 8th best team in the East as constructed...free agency pending.

16 minutes ago, Thomas said:

Against the Warriors in the first game where Leonard played, Aldridge had 28 points but in the next three games Leonard did not play in, Aldridge had 8 points, 18 points and 8 points. Understanding that the competition is much greater against the Warriors than the Rockets and all but it shows what some have said about him along with the baggage. Add to that do we know how serious that "heart arrhythmia problem is". 

If he's unable to play again,, doesn't his salary come off the books? 

15 minutes ago, JayBirdHawk said:

Excerpt - Some interesting Stuff:

http://jeffschultz.blog.myajc.com/2017/06/23/wounds-in-hawks-front-office-may-be-mending/  (entire article)

 

 

 

Can we really trust anything Schultz says.  If there was a rift in the front office why didn't he report on it sooner?

I'm not saying there wasn't, but I can not stand Jeff Schultz.

Simmons signed with Lakers.

1 minute ago, Dolfan23 said:

 

Love the new avatar!  What you know about Silicon Valley?  One of the funniest shows on TV.

1 minute ago, kg01 said:

If he does get dealt, I do think it'll be to PHX.

Although it seems SAS is trying to get something done with LMA, potentially to PHX (seems like a longshot to me tho)

I wonder if we'd trade 19 for LMA+?

Depends on the plus. LMA really fell off in San Antonio.  If he couldn't do it in San Antonio, he sure as hell won't play well in Atlanta.   I'd much rather have Paul, but Paul's contract may not be as friendly, so who knows. 

Eric Bledsoe, Kriss and fourth Pick! 

Just heard on Siriusxm, no other sources confirmed yet though.

There's so many bad contracts because the salary cap jumped like 30 million in two years and last year was a fiasco where a lot of players were overpaid to get most teams to the 90% (could be 95%) floor the nba requires a team to have.  

Brace yourselves folks, just heard on serious XM that the reason the Knicks are shopping Porzingas is to move Noahs contract.  Would you take that contract to get Porzingas? 

56 minutes ago, Watchman said:

But Schröder pouting and acting like a baby was totally acceptable?

He's only 23 so yeah he can get away with being immature unlike a 32 year old.

49 minutes ago, Peoriabird said:

What a bunch of lame excuses...These are the types of deals that kill your franchise for a long time. If Bud can't control his locker room until he brings in the choir, maybe he should be next. I am so tired of Bud system that glorifies the softest big men in the league. I guess Muscala will nows have at least a 10-15 year career in the league thanks to the great one.

You do realize that GS runs a similar system to Bud, right?  It's not Bud that's making centers like Dwight obsolete, it's the rule changes. If you could hand check and do all the other things you could do in the 90's centers like Dwight would still be the center piece of your team. 

As far as the trade, I'll take the wait and see approach.  What if this trade allows us to get a Paul George or Kristaps Porzingis (99% it won't happen)?  I'm ok with moving Dwight's contract. It only free up about 5 million this year, but in 2018- 2019 it frees up $18 million.  You can get a damn good free agent then and that free agent class is much better than this one. 

5 hours ago, NBASupes said:

LeBron is a pretty massive gap tho. That's like saying, we are as good as the Patriots but they have Tom Brady. Well, he's a GOAT, if you have him, you will be great. 

Don't you dare @NBASupes!  That great was getting his ass handed to him by Matt Ryan and our Falcons until they ran out of gas!  You can make a lot of analogies, but please leave anything Boston related and its greatness out!  I'M STILL NOT OVER THE SUPERBOWL!

2 hours ago, JayBirdHawk said:

You beat me to it. You don't go from #2 pick to be used to move a bad contract and pick #27.  Lakers were seeking a lottery pick for Russell, almost got a 2nd rounder.

 

But...why you talking 3rd person @kg01 

I'm sick of all this sense you and @kg01 are making. I'm running out of likes today, so ya'll both get a

You know, the fun of all these trade talks, etc. is just pure speculation. If it doesn't happen, who cares. If it happens, hell yeah!  Part of being a fanatic is being irrational.

Also, please give me those lotto numbers for next week.  I could really use a few million.

46 minutes ago, Diesel said:

Sure is! 

3 minutes ago, CP61 said:

I'd give them anything we have. You get 7 years of control of him, and he's cheap for the next two years. We don't have as much to offer as teams like the Celtics do however, so it won't happen.

If the Celtics are smart, that's the trade they should do.  Lord don't let Danny stop collecting his draft picks! 

26 minutes ago, kg01 said:

 Not Hawks-related ... modzplzbann all these fools.

 

HEYYYY! I did ask a question about Millsap...lol.

5 minutes ago, MaceCase said:

Point out that thread *rolls up sleeves* they need sum fixin'.

 

No, I don't know what they were discussing.  A TPE would have to be generated through a trade with the Hawks over the cap.  Millsap leaving actually frees up cap space.

I'm not sure.  Maybe somewhere in the Paul George thread or if Philadelphia Offered the same package for Dennis thread.

7 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

Someone will offer a lot more than that.   This is a 7'3" SF with great skills making $4 million for 2 years with a team option for another and then restricted free agency (i think).   I mean this may be the best value in the whole league for a guy who may be all star level for years.   They aren't giving him up for picks.   

So would you trade real value for him?  That's what it will take.   Probably Prince. 

That's a link to Dennis' stats.  Trade Dennis ?   maybe.

Uhh since you're twisting my arm, I'd give up Prince.   PG's are too important in the league at the moment. 

5 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Phil really needs to retire before he makes himself look even more foolish.

New York is where young players careers go to die.  If the Hawks can get Porzingas for a few draft picks, they should do it. I hope old crazy Phil does it. 

1 minute ago, MaceCase said:

No. 

 

You're welcome.

Thanks man. I read it in one of the threads yesterday and didn't know if it was true or not. 

2 minutes ago, macdaddy said:

So would you trade Prince and a pick for Kristaps?

I'd trade picks and that's about it.  

A young team of Dennis, Prince, Butler and Kristaps would have my spider senses tingling.   I don't know how the Hawks could pull of both trades but if you mortgage the future for the next couple of drafts to get Butler and you get Kristaps. I'd say it's worth it. 

I was listening to NBA radio and apparently, Phil's had it with Porzingis and has made him available for trades?  I say let Millsap walk and bring in the kid.  I wonder what it would take to get him?

Is it true that if Millsap signs some where else the Hawks will get a trade exception for the amount of Millsap's first year salary?  Help please @JayBirdHawk .

I STILL can't fathom why anyone would want to go out West? At this point, any one with common sense knows it's easier to get to through LBJ and the Cavs.  Than Steph Curry, Durant, Klay, and the Warriors.  Why Paula?  Why?

2 hours ago, Dolfan23 said:

Forget Wall. What did Dennis do better than an average starter other than score? Defend? Run the floor and find the open man instead of looking for his own points? Drive and dish? Find Dwight early in the shot clock? Nope to all of the above. 

Some of you are so blinded by what he does well and the fact that he's a Hawks draft pick that you think he's among the better PGs. Sure he can score as well as all but about 3-4 of the top guys but that's all that he does well. Very soon he's going to get paid ridiculously because of the fact that he can drive and score so well but that's not enough to build a team around. 

I'm not even pro-tank and I even like Dennis a lot but I'm very aware that we won't be ready to make a real run at something without a lot more talent and we'll never get that talent if we are busy overpaying players on their 2nd contracts.

Maybe none of the top guards in this draft are as good as Schröder is now and maybe they're never going to be as good but what if they are? And what if they are good as rookies on a cheap contract and now we have 2-4 first and second year starting caliber players being paid peanuts and leaving us the cap room to go out and get a couple of max players*.

That is the kind of future that excites me. Last year we dealt Teague because we knew he'd cost a lot in FA if we kept him and we got a building block for the future who as a rookie was one of our best players in the playoffs.mI'm not saying lightning will strike twice but I'm confident that our front office knows how to draft based on what I saw last year. 

I don't even care if we miss the playoffs the next couple of seasons as long as we are young, drafting good players and spending our FA money smartly. 

*Assuming we can dump Dwight and/or Baze along with future picks while getting back salary dump expiring contracts. Plus not re-signing Sap or ThJr. 

I think all of us who are supporting Dennis are saying he is ONLY 23!  So why can't he continue to improve like the supposed  draft picks you guys are clamoring for.  Dennis' contract at the moment is a steal.  He's making $10 million per year less than the max and hopefully he continues to improve.  

I'm going to defend him not matter what you say.  Point blank simple.  Last year, on Hawk's terrible offensive team, he was the second best player as a first year starter.  Could he be better at a lot of things? Hell Yeah!  If he's playing at his current level at 25 or 26 then we can have the discussion about trading him for draft picks.

If the Warriors would have traded Steph Curry after three years, they wouldn't be the Warriors.  No one can argue with that!

7 minutes ago, Dolfan23 said:

Who's cherry picking? My point isn't even about Wall it's about Dennis. Someone else brought Wall up and I needed to remind folks just how much better he makes his teammates vs Dennis' ability to do so. You think Dennis is making Jason Smith or Gortat (at this point) look like legit NBA bigs? 

I'm talking about Dennis' ability as a real PG to get his teammates the ball in position to score. If you honestly think Dennis is even average at that then I suggest you spend more time watching the top PGs who don't just drive past their man in attempt to only get a shot  for themselves. 

No what you are doing is saying the one thing we all know Wall is probably the best at ,getting assists, and comparing a 23 year old Dennis to him.  Wall was not that great his first couple of seasons was my point.  Yeah he had all those assists, but he was a turnover machine.  Point guards have to run a team.  Dennis  drove to the basket to score because what were the other options, besides Paul and Timmy (when he was hot)?  He's young and learning is my point.  If you surround Dennis with good shooters at every position, I guarantee, he will set them up better.  He's never played with a center like Dwight before and he struggled with the entry pass to the paint.  

I'm not saying Dennis is a top guard in the league, but he has potential to be a top 10 pt guard once he puts it all together.  I'm not willing to give that up for some draft pick who could turn out to be the next Kwame Brown.