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Bogi has to go in the off-season. Every time he is on the court our defense goes to hell. His offense is too hit or miss to continue to get the minutes he gets. Statistically speaking - he’s a huge hole in our rotation. 
 

Trae needs to keep putting effort in 100% of the time. He is having arguably his best defensive season yet. Just need to see consistency from play to play. Less complaining and more back checking, please.  

Stick to the catch and shoot bey!

1 minute ago, TheNorthCydeRises said:

Just so everyone knows . . . the Hawks have only won 2 games in which we've let the opponent score 125 pts or more.  Charlotte is well on their way to putting up over 140 at this pace.

People say we need to play fast. But we need to play defense first.

Bad offense goes hand in hand with this. We are bricking tons of jumpers and they are getting out and running. It’s not even that we are doing anything crazy pace wise. 
 

we need a better functioning offense when trae is on the bench. 

Bogi is destroying our 2nd unit today. His offense has been terrible to go along with the usual bad D. I haven’t checked, but his +\- has to be terrible so far 

The trae - dj - bogi pairing rarely works. Stop it Nate. Let AJ (move Dre to the 4) or JJ get more time if anything 

2 minutes ago, theheroatl said:

I wouldn’t mind him being our starting 4 from now on if he can body on post players like Millsap did. The spacing like JC surely can help. 

He’s not nearly strong enough to be a full time 4. He seems to be better running at the 3 than the 4. 
 

I guess depending on matchup he’s big enough to guard small 4s, but that’s it. JC has nothing to worry about. 
 

but I am high on the addition nonetheless. Can’t wait to see him play tonight. 

Here comes the patented 4 trae-less minutes to start the 4th.  

can our offense do enough to maintain a lead? 

Offense looked good. Defense needs to act like they care and not sleepwalk through the 2nd half. 
 

and our offense - pace be damned - looks nothing late in the 4th quarter like it does early on in games.  

Excited to Sochan play. Was my draft crush this year. 
 

oh and also see us cruise to a victory! The climb to 5 continues. 

27 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

All we have to do is look at the 4th quarter. For qualified mins, Atlanta is 3rd to last with only Portland's mix of D. Lillard - J. Grant - J. Hart - A. Simons - D. Eubanks being worse. That's Portland's worse mix, their best is 5th in the NBA is D. Lillard - J. Grant - J. Nurkic - J. Hart - A. Simons. Our Net Rating in the 3rd worst with our best unit is -7.5. Our other units are actually much better. Both at 2.3 NET. D. Murray - J. Collins - T. Young - D. Hunter - O. Okongwu and B. Bogdanovic - D. Murray - O. Okongwu - J. Johnson - A. Griffin. I keep saying this but Clint is a liability late and that's why we miss Gallo so much who was key for us finishing games last year. Especially when we were up.

The issue is, 2.3 NET is not good for a pretender much less a contender. With pretenders, you want to see 5-10 NET. Anything higher is contender status. That's why Denver is questionable as their 4th QT play is not contender-level. Toronto and SAC is elite 4th QT teams. They just need to figure out the 1st three quarters (Toronto) and SAC takes it to another level in the 4th. 

The Hawks issue is clear. They got the talent, they don't have the fit. That's what's limiting the team. 

This is good stuff. The starters performance in terms of net rating + TS% worsens as the game goes. Interesting …
 

I know pace is pretty consistent, but my hypothesis is that our offense tightens up in the 4th and we play EVEN more iso and less in the flow of the game. I think going away from our play style in the first negatively impacts our offense a lot and, in turn, it puts a lot more pressure on our d. So both suffer.

maybe teams are tightening up on d, and you’re right - it’s a fit issue in crunch time  

could it be tired legs and we need to adjust substitution patterns?

Should we run out smaller lineups with JC @ the 5 (depending on matchup) to try to run the other team out of the gym down the stretch? Running JC at C with Trae/DJ/Hunter has been an effective 4 man lineup combo. 

Also - does anyone know of any sources that show lineup performance comparing 1H/2H of games? I wonder if our starting 5 out performs their norm in the first half and under in the 2nd as they get worn out? Particularly DJ with the amount Nate runs him. 

23 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

The new generation of fan is big on numbers but when you ask them for opinions, it's clear they didn't do their own research. I see it all of the time on reddit and RealGM 

Hunter is a big wing who guards 4 positions plus big wings and is very effective at it. Saying he's just above average is a bold face lie. Saying it's not hate shows a lack of BBIQ to an extreme degree. I tend to find bad opinions like this common from fans who stat watch. Look at steals and shit like that. When your ass said Bey had more impact and was more efficient, I assumed you are a troll. That's not an opinion of someone who is anything but a hater. It's on par with Trae isn't a great scorer, he just shoots a lot. It's dumbass opinions which I can't stand. 

There is nothing average about a Mildy efficiency three level scorer in a starting role in the NBA. That's solid at the very least. 

Now you are pushing Huerter over Hunter. My goodness, you really don't have a f***ing clue

Let’s not get carried away with this take. It’s not like I said something wild like Cam Reddish was Randy Moss, Horford was Karl Malone or Bagley was the 2nd coming  we can have a discussion without the knee jerk responses.

I was clear on my overall view of Hunter and what he can become. Not sure how that screams hater, but ok. 

With that said, Dre has never sniffed an all defensive team. Because you know, he’s above average,  not elite … he’s not a stopper. He’s probably a top ~12 defensive/overall SF. That’s above average. He’s not what I’d consider great. If you think he is - I do like reading your opinions - what’s your top sf list look like? And just for clarity … when it comes to how I rate players. Above average > solid = average. 
 

when did I say huerter was > Hunter? I tried to explain there is a nuance to stats and what role you are playing … you know … not just looking at stats in a vacuum like those Reddit dweebs  we are far better off with Hunter in his role than Huerter trying to fill Hunters shoes, BUT huerter can still be more impactful at his role than Hunter is at his yet Hunter would have a larger impact on the Atlanta Hawks as a team …

New generation of fan? I’m not 12. The passive “new generation” shtick isn’t necessary. 

Hunter is a big wing with above average defense. That’s the best thing he has going for him. He’s average-ish on offense. That’s not hate. That’s realistic. I can say that and still recognize his importance to our team. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. I literally can be quoted on here believing that he can become a #3 player on a championship team. He’s still young in terms of pro basketball played so he has room for growth. 
 

bey will play a different role. For the 3rd time. And in his role (which was still too much for my liking) in Detroit, He statistically had a larger positive impact than Dre has in Atlanta. 
 

What you quoted from me literally says that if he were put in the starting lineup it would hurt him.  Would you rather have Huerter than Hunter start for us? No, obviously not because of fit/what role they should play to maximize team performance. 
 

huerters efficiency / impact stats > Hunter because they play a different role (and huerter is better at his role). But Hunter is far more important to us which is why he isn’t in jeopardy of losing his job. That’s my point, and I stand by it.

26 minutes ago, sturt said:

That's not the right comparison, then.

What you want to know is how does the 2nd unit  perform when he's on or off.

I think JJ's presence is, to the contrary, emerging as a good thing for that 2nd unit far more than not... but I don't have number to support that right now.

You may be on to something ... 

• DJ / Bogi / AG / JJ / OO = 188 Possessions / +6.9
• DJ / AHol / JHol / JJ / OO = 84 / +23.9
• DJ / AHol / AG / JJ / OO = 81 / +1.2
• Trae / AHol / JHol / JJ / CC = 76 / -10.0
• Trae / AHol / AG / JJ / CC = 75 / -16.0
• Trae / AHol / JHol / JJ / OO = 51 / -4.0

So it seems he plays much better with DJ than Trae. Perhaps he gets more touches and the ball moves better with Trae off the court. So listen up Nate. Stop pairing JJ with Trae. Doesn't work.

Also that adds to the complication of getting enough time for AG / JJ / Bey. How do you split the minutes without reducing Bogi's .... because I will stand by that's not happening (Until Nate proves me wrong). Unless Bey draws the short straw.

21 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Bro, no simply no. These numbers don't even say anything. Ya'll tend to go way too far and end up looking real bad doing it too 

It's closer than you want to believe. If you replaced Bey with Hunter on the Pistons team. How many more wins do they have? It's pretty dang close to 0 (maybe less since Bey played in +7 games).

I also said Dre is the starter. Bey is not going to replace him ... period. But the again. #s are #s. There are some ways that Dre is more efficient (higher TS% + TS Add among them), but there are many stats that point to Bey have a larger impact to winning. I think the right role will really amplify this for Bey, but if you put him in the starting line-up with different expectation - it would hurt him as that's not his best fit.

I completely agree with the analysis you shared from Reddit. Lines up pretty much with my exact belief. He could be huge boost to the offense if he plays within his role. Didn't know that he was the solo-type guy, but that doesn't concern me.

2 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

You bolded the worst part of your post bro. 

I think I know what part you are talking about. And I didn't think it was right. it's arguably close, and I could potentially be swayed 1 way or the other -  but #s are #s ... 

His efficiency really should pick-up if he focuses in on the role that fits his skillset best. But despite the below ... he's not a Hunter replacement to me. Hunter is far too important for what his strengths are. But the 2 big wing combo of Bey / Hunter is an intriguing pairing.

So the addition of Saadiq will essentially take minutes away from AJ and JJ …. That’s excellent.  
 

I should add I’m probably higher than most on the addition of saadiq. But not sure why we kept bogi. 

10 hours ago, sturt said:

Few seem to be more motivated, albeit in a somewhat passive aggressive style rather than head-on, to resist giving up their preferred conclusion, truly. At least, that's been my experience.)

I defended nobody. I simply stated my observation of a pointless back and forth. If that makes you feel like I’m defending somebody, then perhaps we should refer to the bolded above and move things along. 

7 hours ago, sturt said:

Few seem to be more motivated, albeit in a somewhat passive aggressive style rather than head-on, to resist giving up their preferred conclusion, truly. At least, that's been my experience.)

Jay gave a few examples of trades that we see every single year for teams to cut salary. Her examples are rooted in historical facts. 
 

And to claim victory that Dedmon + a second is more considerable than JHol + a 2nd? Read the bolded above, please. 
 

Now let’s get this thread back on track! Who wins the trade deadline lottery and lands Korkmaz?!?

37 minutes ago, NBASupes said:

Kuz ain't going nowhere. That's throwing your money away. Bogi might get moved for Pat Bev and free up cap space for the Hawks. Not sure why LA would do it but with no real options in FA, maybe they will.

JC best bet is Brooklyn. 

Other than GS, I would say that's correct for KD. Boston and Atlanta can obviously do a deal but will they is unlikely. 

I would love to bring Beverly in while increasing AJ’s role. 

beverly has the kind of attitude we are missing. 

lol. The Raptors don’t care about shooting too much i guess. 
 

14.3% … 14.3% … 30% 

0.1 … 0.1 … 2.0
 

That is the career 3P% and the 3PA/G of Nic Claxton, Ben Simmons and Scottie Barnes. 
 

that’d be fun to watch.