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I'm going to split a thread off for this so we can keep the Quin strategy in focus.

So the first 2 games I considered a drinking game where every time JJ was ripe for a 45 degree slash or a back door run at the rim, Trae swung the ball the other way. I chalked it up to Trae being trained the last 3 years to believe that cut would never happen. I'm thinking 20 games in, those easy plays are going to happen on the regular, your knees will be shot from all the jumping up and we won't be losing the 5 point games we lost to open the season.

Recent news stories about Dwight infers than he might have.

Well and we've all heard what someone said and took it to the extreme in our heads. Nate might have said, cut you're hair, you'll never get a good commercial with that hair and JJ heard, "you'll die in College Park and I'll own your soul for a 1000 years". At least I have an ex who heard things like that.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cooper-flagg-the-nations-top-high-school-player-commits-to-duke-122821285.html

I'm not hungry!

After 3 games, 28:20/game 15.3/7.7/1.7/1.7/1/FG 64.5% 3PT%37.5. After 3 games, 28:20/game 15.3/7.7/1.7/1.7/1/FG 64.5%/3PT%37.5. Collins last season, 30:00/game 13.1/6.5/1.2/0.6/1/FG 50.8%/3PT%29.2%

I'll speak for myself on this one. 1) Why Nate didn't play JJ? (mostly conjecture here, a bit of fact). Nate is old school. Forwards don't bring the ball up. Guards facilitate. Defense is 1v1, funnel drivers to the bigs. Forwards finish on the break. High pick n roll. ISO. A number of things inherent in JJ's game are contrary to Nate's style. JJ is a grab and go, penetrate and dish, fill passing lanes, slashing cutter, help/strip/block type of hybrid. Nate likes traditional roles, technically, JJ can play 3 and 2 half positions on offense. Fit over talent. Nate wanted (the best 1, the best 2, the best 3) traditional role at each position. There are better traditional 4's than JJ. Collins is one and in a world where traditional 1970's 80's basketball is played, Collins > JJ. This ain't 1978. The game is better, faster, more complicated now. 2) What did Nate say to JJ? Most of what Nate says comes off harder than intended as he's more of a my way or the highway guy. I don't have 1st hand knowledge of the conversation, but what I do know is Nate was adamant JJ get better at setting picks, give the ball up immediately after a rebound and give it to a guard, learn traditional post up moves, stop leaving his man when the ball swung to the other side of the floor. I believe it probably was more along the lines of "If you don't learn to do or stop doing XYZ, you'll never make it in this league." 3) Was there friction? The biggest point of friction on the team was shot selection, ball movement, shot sharing as it related to Trae/CC and JC/BB/Hunter. There were 2 coaching camps. One was very into developing a more balanced offense where the other 3 got more shots. The other (Nate's camp) was into developing the short rotation of 8 men as a way to get more people shots (more floor time for 8 players). But perhaps the 2nd greatest point of contention was playing time for deserving players. If BB/Hunter do not start the season with the injury bug last year, you may have never seen AJ on the floor either. However, almost all of the coaches were clamoring for JJ to get more time on the floor and be allowed to do his thing. Nate dug in his heels. The kid won't get time over Collins/Gallo/Others until he can do PF things better than Collins/Gallo. This is where I believe point 2 stems from. 4) Was Nate wrong? It depends on your vantage point. If we were in the first year of rebuild with Trae/JC, JJ would have been the best starting 3. Not because he's a 3 but because young teams fly around and do young legs things. Nate was trying to build a traditional deep run playoff team and his strategy wasn't off, just his talent recognition. Rumors last year were that management and staff wanted to move Collins by the deadline and put JJ in as the full time starter at PF. That trade never materialized as we overvalued JC and the cost of his contract. Nate's insistence of misusing JJ is one of the many reasons he was let go. See my just posted post. This was something I dropped on the board about a week before that article dropped.

Nice moment there. Quin, Hunter talking, smiling, getting along.

Jalen jipped a block. 1 block on Giannis at the rim, Blocked Lopez from the corner.

After 2 games,

Just logging on to give Spud his daily "like".

I'm not going to get into the bashing of players. I'm going to talk about the lack of execution of the new offense. I'm not seeing 1/2 of the off-ball movement I saw in the preseason. We are 1.5 games into the preseason and I have yet to see a corner to elbow curl run, not one.

Comparison, John Collins, same night, 1 more minute of play Defense Hustle Cost, $22 million more dollars. All I need to know and I may track it all year. Opposing team shot 2/9 from 3 against Jalen. 3/6 vs Collins. Jalen contests and gives help.

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/quin-snyder-breaks-down-hawks-rotation-at-forward-and-starting-lineup?fbclid=IwAR1APuSTu2fF1JJ_fq4gsQFZ9tpR8SYuZshQKnOXPWHkMUOcd2rdP3aOyR4 "As hard as I have worked to educate everybody on the situation, clearly I have failed. Because it is not a binary question of Jalen or Saddiq. Maybe tonight will make that clear. There are times when it will be. One of them will be playing and the other won't. Those guys, and (De'Andre Hunter). Those three guys. All three of them were in there together tonight... They're different players, obviously, but they are both really good players in their own way. That is often the case. We've got a number of guys that you have those questions like "Who should I play?" and that is something that I think our team understands. Players always, I mean they'd like to play 48 minutes if they could, you know, but it is harder to do that. You tend to get a little tired. There was a couple of times tonight those guys were gassed, but I am glad you brought that up"...

He looks at him, turns his head and shakes it no. I'm not sure what you're seeing??? Second 5 he's looking right at OO, second 6 he turns his head left, OO's hand is outstretch, second 7, he shakes it no.

There 5 likes you whore!!

I was mistaken. It was OO-17 he refused to tap in on. He sees him. Shakes his head no. Hunter.mp4

I don't have any way to transfer it to PC without just pulling it on my phone camera but I'll go back and find the clip.

His chest looks way bigger.

Am I imaging this or did Gordon Hayward hit the weights hard

#side_eye

Anyone else see Hunter reject slapping hands with Bey when he came in?

The last 2 possessions are why JJ should start over Bey. Bey good, JJ better.

Grab and go makes us look dangerous.