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31:20 vs 29:24. So JC getting about 2 more minutes per game.

stats yes, +/- = -16. JC 2023-24 15.0/9.3/1.3/.7/.3 JJ 2023-24 13.8/7.8/2/1.2/.8 JJ a +50. lower pp/rpg but better apg/spg/bpg. Doing the things that cause winning, including closing out, ball chasing, deflections. All things JC could not/did not do.

Who I like and who I don't like isn't as simple as good player vs bad. I'm more into players living up to their contract/draft slot. JJ - Greatly exceeding contract, good/great for draft slot. Trae - Living up to draft but underperforming contract right now. If you get alpha contract, you need to give alpha production. Hunter - IMHO didn't earn the contract he got, he's close to living up to it now. He has some bad habits he's breaking and I'm withholding judgement right now. DJ - exceeding contract. CC - underperforming which is why I give him crap. He's fine, but he's not living up to his hype/contract. BB - underperforms contract/hype Bey - better than expected OO - exceeds contract, a bit below draft expectations (due to be undersized). He just has some limitations that he makes up with when giving great effort. Bruno - If he could just stop moving on screens I'd like him a lot more. AJ - Jury is out but he's not a contract liability. I get the feeling he'll figure things out and be a huge win. I don't hate any of them. I love JJ, at times love Trae. at times love DJ. There are times that CC makes me shake my head in disgust but its not hate. I love OO's heart but I know his limitations. BB gives me the biggest emotional swings. DH is the player I want to root for more than any, I really do. I just think he's a great athlete playing basketball, but doesn't have that killer in him. I hope he proves me wrong. If there's anyone on the team I don't like, its Meth Bogi. Garrison Matthews just rubs me wrong.

Too much negative karma in this thread from everyone for my liking.

If anything my comment is a critique of the guard centric play that creeps back in I stead.of the high motion offense we are supposed to running.

Not even close to what I said???

There were a couple of plays in the 3rd, early 4th last night where the Hawks were running the Quin offense and were not guard dominant. During those plays, Hunter looked great. Offensively he's bought into the scheme and seems both best and happiest when we're running it. Defensively, its a tale of 2 Hunters. When he buys in to the collapse on anyone who can drive mindset, he looks very good. When he goes back to wanting to play 1v1 he looks bad. Waiting to see the all good.

Great 4 man possession there. Trae to Jj to Clint to slashing DH.

Game feels stale.

I switched to directtv stream this year. They carry Ballys and much less expensive than comcast.

Flagg 32 red. Or you can just advance to the 57:30 minute mark if you wanna see him and actual basketball and not an all star game dunk fest.

LOL he's definitely not rescuing kittens. He's got an FU edge on him. Stares players down (in high school). Amazed someone's daddy hasn't handled him yet. But he's going to get all sorts of attention and has a ton of potential due to a lack of fear and no real holes in his game.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/next-white-duke-superstar-may-220906341.html More complete article to satisfy you.

There is a clumsy wreckless abandon to him bit he is talented. I'm not sure "the great white hope" meme is the right one to attach to him but the guy goes hard to the rim while maintaining some finesse and that will be plenty for him to dominate in college. Definitely not hanging all over him at this point but he is intriguing. That Duke has recruited really well over a 2 year stretch will give him a lot of national attention. Duke will be back (hold on, coughed on that a bit, blech! Tasted terrible)

Sorry, but Gobert is worth every penny.

If he got any higher, he would have head butted the clock.

Jalen is terrifying!

Don't assume his gender!!!

Head coach barking at the refs protecting his players. That's how you know what I'm feeling is real.

There's a couple of ideas. Shooting 3's stretches the defense increasing the efficiency of 2's, leading to more fouls (farther a defender travels to defend, the more apt he is to foul). Things like that. Easier to sneak offensive rebounds, makes passing lanes wider, etc.

I ain't quit on him yet. The rest, yah...you're on your own.

So its come out that Quin wants the guys shooting more 3's and rather than have people think they know what that means, I'll give it my best shot. The Hawks had 101.6 possessions per game last season. The Hawks shot 48.3% from 2 on 92.4 attempts of those 30.5 3PA at 35.3%. The average team loses 4 possessions per games to a blocked shot. there are lost possessions in the mix, for the purposes of counting, of shots attempted that result in a shooting foul resulting in FTA. This is why the possessions never match the split out totals. Basically there's about 17 possessions a game that result in a turnover or blocked shot. I can't pull it now but stats show that most turnovers happen in the last 10 seconds of the shot clock. Every extra pass, every screen set, every rushed shot under the basket is an opportunity to lose a possession. Stats also show that 3 point attempts lead to more run outs, more transition attempts. you have a 13% lower chance to convert a 3 pointer (leading to a longer rebound)(25 percent of makes). Stats also show that 3 point attempts later in the clock are converted at a higher rate due to more bad rotations being open. So the trade off, I shoot earlier and from 3 at a lower conversion rate and more runouts vs less turnovers (totally lost possession) and less blocked shots but at the cost of total free throws attempted. So given the above, is Trae or any other player taking a 3 as soon as its open worth the risk to avoid the risk of turnover or block to? If we sign an arbitrary percentage of 30% to the number of 3's converted when less than optimal and we recognize every turnover/block/transition is most likely to lead to .3 points more for the other team (difference between points per possession off transition vs points per possession out of bounds). Math is something like: 10 quick 3/ranged 3 attempts = 9 points at the cost of 7 x .3 (2.1) more points (net + 6.9) for the other squad minus the normal chance of scoring possession which is 1.15 points per 10 possessions x .84 (penalized for potential lost possessions) vs 1.6 x .3 (.48 more points) (net +9.18). There are assumptions in there but it looks like the net difference of letting your 3 flag fly is -2.28 points per game. However, how much does the more aggressive play loosen up the defense for more scoring efficiency the other 90 plays a game? The math gets deep but I'll open it up for discussion. This is a weak first crack at this off the top of my head.

I'm going to split a thread off for this so we can keep the Quin strategy in focus.

So the first 2 games I considered a drinking game where every time JJ was ripe for a 45 degree slash or a back door run at the rim, Trae swung the ball the other way. I chalked it up to Trae being trained the last 3 years to believe that cut would never happen. I'm thinking 20 games in, those easy plays are going to happen on the regular, your knees will be shot from all the jumping up and we won't be losing the 5 point games we lost to open the season.

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