Bibby's game: shoot or pass

[Johnnybravo4]

Wade also shot 19% from 3 last year, despite having Shaq to give him open looks.

Carmelo has a career 3pt% of 28%, Luol Deng 26%

Basically the dividing line for a decent 3pt shooter is about 30-35%, great 3pt shooters are 40+%. Smoove is a below avg 3 pt shooter but he isn't horrendous.

[thesheedera]

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Why does everyone berate Josh Smith on his 3 point shooting? He shoots 25%, which is bad, but it isn't 10%. He usually shoots the 3 because he's wide open. You have to take the shot when you are standing there alone and your man is standing in the paint waiting to take a charge if you try to drive the ball. You have to take an outside shot to keep your man honest.

25% is very bad. I don't think you'll find more than maybe one other guy who takes as many 3s as Smith with that poor a percentage.

How bout Dwayne Wade. He shoots 25.8% for his career.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dwyane_wade/index.html

And in case you were wondering, Josh Smith shoots 26%

As a 2 guard Wade's actually shown a pretty good amount of restraint to shoot threes. In his career he's shot .061 3's every minute, or 2.93 per 48. A 2 guard has more opportunities than any position on the floor to take 3's. Plus, being his team's primary option means that he almost HAS to take some long jumpshots as he's more often the fallback when no one can get a look or when the clock's running down. We have JJ in that role.

Smith is a PF that shoots .111 3's every minute, or 5.33 per 48. What the F is he doing shooting that many 3's on his career with such a bad percentage of success?

Kobe Bryant shoots .132 per minute, or 6.35 per 48 for comparison sake, and makes 34% of them.

[thefloydian]

It's amazing that we are having this argument. I can understand a lot of the arguments like Salim should be playing over Acie, etc, but come on. Do you really believe Josh Smith should be taking a lot of 3 pointers?

Amazing.

[Johnnybravo4]

Actually Wade's game is more of an attacking style. But the point is that he takes a similar amount of 3's and has an even worse percentage. But no one would [censored] and moan about Wade shooting 3's as we do about Josh Smith. Josh Smith takes 3's pretty much only when he is open. It isn't like he crosses half court and then chucks up a shot.

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Wade also shot 19% from 3 last year, despite having Shaq to give him open looks.

Carmelo has a career 3pt% of 28%, Luol Deng 26%

Basically the dividing line for a decent 3pt shooter is about 30-35%, great 3pt shooters are 40+%. Smoove is a below avg 3 pt shooter but he isn't horrendous.

Smith is definitely horrendous.

Deng has only taken 22 3s in the last two seasons. Melo is shooting 32% this year which still sucks but is way better than Smith.

Why are you comparing Smith with guys who average 24 ppg anyway? Those guys have the ball so much that they will be forced to take 3s at the end of the clock.

[Johnnybravo4]

You only believe that that is what we are arguing if you can't read. My only argument is that we complain too much on this board about Smoove's 3 pt attempts. That is his one of his smallest flaws...what is more important is why he cant take more than 3 dribbles without fumbling the ball.

[thesheedera]

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Actually Wade's game is more of an attacking style. But the point is that he takes a similar amount of 3's and has an even worse percentage. But no one would [censored] and moan about Wade shooting 3's as we do about Josh Smith. Josh Smith takes 3's pretty much only when he is open. It isn't like he crosses half court and then chucks up a shot.

Did you even read my post?

Smith and Wade don't shoot a smiliar amount of threes when compared to the time they're on the court. Smith shoots 3's almost twice as frequently.

And Wade is an attacker BECAUSE he knows he's not a shooter. He doesn't settle for long jumpshots.

[thefloydian]

You said he had to take a 3 to keep his man honest. Since when does a player playing power forward "have to take a 3 to keep his man honest?" He does not have to take a 3. In fact, he should never shoot a 3 unless the shot clock is about to expire.

[thesheedera]

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You only believe that that is what we are arguing if you can't read. My only argument is that we complain too much on this board about Smoove's 3 pt attempts. That is his one of his smallest flaws...what is more important is why he cant take more than 3 dribbles without fumbling the ball.

Actually it is important. When your power forward (one of your 2 main sources of rebounds) is throwing up a 3 he won't make you have two problems - 1) a poor shot was selected with a small chance of success and 2) one of your primary rebounders is out of position to fight for a rebound.

It may help a little that so many of his threes brick all the way back to the perimeter, but if it doesn't bounce to him it likely starts a fast break.

Josh would be a GREAT player RIGHT NOW if he stopped taking long jumpers and spent all of his time in the post where he's most effective.

[Johnnybravo4]

Smoove still has a mentality of a SF at times. But PF shooting 3's isn't exactly unprecedented, Sheed and Dirk come to mind. Of course they are much better at it than Smoove is but if the offense dictates that you hang around the perimeter, and you have a wide open shot at the 3point line, what are you going to do, not shoot?....uh that would make you Acie Law.

[thefloydian]

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Smoove still has a mentality of a SF at times. But PF shooting 3's isn't exactly unprecedented, Sheed and Dirk come to mind. Of course they are much better at it than Smoove is but if the offense dictates that you hand around the perimeter, and you have a wide open shot at the 3point line, what are you going to do, not shoot....uh that would make you Acie Law.

First of all he shouldn't be hanging out at the 3 point line. Second of all, yes, he should just pass it unless the shot clock is almost up.

The stuff about Sheed and Dirk is irrelevant because they can actually shoot.

[Johnnybravo4]

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Smoove still has a mentality of a SF at times. But PF shooting 3's isn't exactly unprecedented, Sheed and Dirk come to mind. Of course they are much better at it than Smoove is but if the offense dictates that you hand around the perimeter, and you have a wide open shot at the 3point line, what are you going to do, not shoot....uh that would make you Acie Law.

First of all he shouldn't be hanging out at the 3 point line. Second of all, yes, he should just pass it unless the shot clock is almost up.

The stuff about Sheed and Dirk is irrelevant because they can actually shoot.

No offense, but I guess that reading comprehension wasn't your strong point in school was it.

[thesheedera]

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if the offense dictates that you hang around the perimeter, and you have a wide open shot at the 3point line, what are you going to do, not shoot

YES!!! If you're bad at something and doing it hurts your team, you should NOT DO IT when the opportunity arrives.

Come on JB, you're not dense.

Pass the ball and make a cut or set a screen.

[thefloydian]

This "reading comprehension" garbage is weak. You have no point. The offense does not dictate that Smith shoots a ton of 3's. Just get off it. You're wrong.

[thefloydian]

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Come on JB, you're not dense.

No, he's just wrong and doesn't want to let it go.

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Come on JB, you're not dense.

he just does really good impressions.

[Johnnybravo4]

If you have an open shot you should take. 25% or not..unless there is an obvious pass you should make. Mostlly when Smoove takes a 3 it is when he is ridiculously wide open. I admit that I'd rather see Bibby, or Joe, or Childress take that shot given the same circumstances, but I am not going to kill him for it. He is or second leading scorer and our 2nd scoring option in many cases.

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If you have an open shot you should take. 25% or not..unless there is an obvious pass you should make. Mostlly when Smoove takes a 3 it is when he is ridiculously wide open. I admit that I'd rather see Bibby, or Joe, or Childress take that shot given the same circumstances, but I am not going to kill him for it. He is or second leading scorer and our 2nd scoring option in many cases.

Smith can't even make 18 footers worth a d@m. He has no business setting up outside the 3 pt line.

[HawkNJersey]

When has Smoove hurt the team, by shooting 3s? Never

And if any of you watch warm ups before the game, you will know that he hits the 3 with ease and consistency. Its only a matter of time, before that carries over to the game. And, in order for him to be a better shooter during the game, he has to shoot. Plus Woody runs a 4 out, 1 in offense. If he's not the post guy, he has to stand out near the 3pt line for spacing.

Keep shooting Smoove!

[HawkNJersey]

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if the offense dictates that you hang around the perimeter, and you have a wide open shot at the 3point line, what are you going to do, not shoot

YES!!! If you're bad at something and doing it hurts your team, you should NOT DO IT when the opportunity arrives.

Come on JB, you're not dense.

Pass the ball and make a cut or set a screen.

When has Smoove's 3pt shooting, hurt the team?