How many wins does Woody need to stay in as coach?

[Guest Walter]

if ownership isn't happy after their huge investment something may have to change. No doubt somebody's feet are over the fire if we don't win 20 games. Except according to you. Woody could lose every game and still keep his job. Sigh.

W

[tmac13]

If we only win 13 games again Woody should be, and would be fired..The owners have put themselves out to help BK get the players he wanted and 13 wins will not be acceptable to them this year..I truely think we have to at least double our win total for Woody's job to be safe..As a matter of trivia, tell me any coach, in any professional sport that has won less than 30 percent of his games in his 1st 2 years that has NOT been fired?..I can't think of any regardless of how bad the teams were..

[thesource966]

If Woody doubles his wins next season then his winning % for the first two years would be only 24%. He would have to win 36 games next year to make it over your 30%.

[thesource966]

I can think of one in recent memory:

Don Nelson in his first 2 years as head coach of the Mavericks went 34-132.

1997-98 20-62

1998-99 14-36 The year was short but it still counts.

Giving him a total in his first two years as head coach a record of 34-132, thats 25.7%. As you know he continued to coach the team for more years.

1997-98

Owner: Ross Perot, Jr.

General Manager/Head Coach: Don Nelson

Assistant Coach: Donn Nelson

Assistant Coach: Scott Roth

Assistant Coach: Charlie Parker

Trainer: Roger Hinds

Assistant Trainer: Steve Smith

Assistant Strength Coordinator/Equipment Manager: Chad Lewis

Players:

Martin Muursepp #13

Ace Custis #42

Chris Anstey #11

Eric Riley #50

Shawn Bradley #44

A.C. Green #45

Samaki Walker #52

Kurt Thomas #40

Bubba Wells #35

Khalid Reeves #6

Robert Pack #14

Hubert Davis #24

Michael Finley #4

Cedric Ceballos #23

Erick Strickland #20

Shawn Respert #21

1998-99

Owner: Ross Perot, Jr.

General Manager/Head Coach: Don Nelson

Assistant Coach: Donn Nelson

Assistant Coach: Scott Roth

Assistant Coach: Charlie Parker

Trainer: Roger Hinds

Assistant Trainer: Steve Smith

Strength & Conditioning Coach/Equipment Manager: Chad Lewis

Players:

A.C. Green #45

Chris Anstey #11

Hot Rod Williams #18

Shawn Bradley #44

Dirk Nowitzki #41

Bruno Sundov #40

Ansu Sesay #3

Erick Strickland #20

Hubert Davis #24

Steve Nash #13

Michael Finley #4

Cedric Ceballos #23

Robert Pack #14

Samaki Walker #52

Gary Trent #33

[thesource966]

How about Bill Fitch in his first 2 seasons in cleveland.

1971 CLE 15-67 .183

1972 CLE 23-59 .280

That is a record of 38-164, thats only 23%. As you know he went on to coach many more years and never had a winning season until his six with the cavs.

[tmac13]

Ok, I stand corrected, you have found 2..In the history of the NBA, you have found 2..Both are legendary status types..I am willing to wager that Woody will not be treated as kindly..

[thesource966]

I have found 2 and could find more, how many would you like?

And that is just the NBA, you said all professional sports.

[tmac13]

Find me all you want..You might find one or 2 in pro football, no chance you will find any in baseball..I admit, I was mistaken, but I stand by the overall point, if we don't double our win total Woody will and should be fired..

[thesource966]

Allow me to prove you wrong again,

NY Mets

1962-1965 Manager Casey Stengel

1963 51-111 .315

1962 40-120 .250

Combine first two seasons 91-322 thats 28%.

I had to dig a little bit deeper for that one, since its rare a MLB team wins less than 30% of its games.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/teams/history/NYM

But I must agree with you that Woody needs to double his wins to keep his job, which I think he will do.

[tmac13]

Alrighty then, I am sure glad you proved me wrong so much, makes me happy for you..BTW, What I said was 30 percent in his 1st 2 seasons, not 30 percent combined..Anyway....

[Guest Walter]

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How about Bill Fitch in his first 2 seasons in cleveland.

1971 CLE 15-67 .183

1972 CLE 23-59 .280

That is a record of 38-164, thats only 23%. As you know he went on to coach many more years and never had a winning season until his six with the cavs.

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Given its possible and the lousy history of coaches who win so little yet keep their jobs, if Woody manages a below 30% winning % (or whatever it is you guys are exactly discussing) we had better lock him up for 4 more years.

W

[thesource966]

You posted a trivia question and I gladly answered it, that baseball stat was the best I could find.

[Sage11]

I say 26 to 30 wins with the people we have brought in.

I do not anticipate a playoff appearance, but I will be upset over another 13 win season. A double is not unreasonable to expect.