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I would do Walter's trade he quoted. Harrington/Lue/2nd rounder for any deal with Bynum and no bad contracts is worth it.

That Philly pick is lottery protected this year AND next year. No one in Golden State, both management and fans, expects to be able to use it. It turns into 1 million cash after 2008 if not used.

I agree with whoever said with the exception of KB's rampant manlove of Billy Knight we have a pretty good view of this team as a general rule. Of course the original poster is the one who was railing against everyone here for not agreeing lockstep with him.

I would much rather have a guy in Bynum who has a chance to be special than some mediocre player in Mihm who would be at best a one year rental. I can not believe some people on this board even think otherwise. Unreal.

It wasn't SAR's fault. He gave us exactly what we asked for: the best low post scorer on our team since Kevin Willis and a solid rebounder. He held up his end of the deal. The guy is a total class act and one of the NBA's best citizens.

I agree. I won't flame you but you should be flamed for wanting K-mart.

Disgusting story. I remember Eddie when I was a very young kid and its just disgusting to see this is what he turned into.

Quote: Quote: I think it doesn't do anything to insult people because you disagree with them. And who did I insult? Not you, it was an earlier poster.

I know the Falcons pass rush will be outstanding this year but I think we really needed to get a big DT to put on that line. Sam Adams got cut by the Bills in the offseason, we should have gobbled him up. I don't believe Chad LalaiswoieuroweuirewtfeverSamoanname is the answer for a run stuffer.

I think it doesn't do anything to insult people because you disagree with them. Camby is injury prone and so is Claxton. I didn't see too many people talking about how injury prone Claxton is. Camby, if healty, would be a perfect fit on our team. As it is I do not know if I would feel comfortable adding a 32,33 year old player with 4 years left and an always injured body on my team. When healthy he is an outstanding center. But that healthy part is the key.

If I want two players to shoot the ball to the complete detriment of my team and have egos the size of small states then I would put Kobe and Iverson atop a list. That would be the only way they would make top ten lists from me.

Quote: Quote: They traded 3 lottery picks (if you include Sweetney) for the *right* to make Eddy Curry their personal albatross. That has an outstanding chance to go down as the absolute WORST trade in NBA history. I'm not even close to exaggerating here. I wouldn't go that far. The absolute worst trade in NBA history would take something like the Bulls landing Oden and both Oden and Thomas panning out as expected and leading to multiple championships. You have to beat out the JBC for McHale/Parrish among others. Nothing repeat NOTHING will ever eclipse that McHale/Parish highway robbery deal. The Celtics won every single one of their titles and dominated the EC for the entire 1980's based on that one trade.

I give everyone in the 2000 draft a pass. That entire draft sucked muchly. Dermarr MAY have been a quality swingman if not for the car accident. We will never know.

I agree that Darko is a lot better than people give him credit for. Once he got some steady minutes in Orlando he started playing with more confidence and you could see it on defense especially. Darko and Howard could be a terrific 1-2 punch in the paint but I am really hoping that in two years Dwight decides to return home and signs a max offer sheet with the Hawks.

Yeah, its not like Howard is thirty years old and has been in the league for 11 years now and is completely developed as a player. If only he was an extremely young player straight out of high school who already has excellent rebounding and defensive instincts and is working on his offensive game. If only!

I knew I had reasons to wonder about some posters here. Now when they are trying to throw Howard under the bus lol unreal. I would sacrifice small children to get Dwight on this team.

Bird/McHale/Parrish is the greatest frontcourt in the history in professional basketball. The only reason they won titles in the 80's and were as great as they were was due to that fact. They had good guards in Dennis Johnson, Ainge and some good parts in Cedric Maxwell, Bill Walton etc. But without that frontcourt? Please. McHale is considered by just about every coach, player and expert as the greatest low post scorer to ever play the game. The guy was unreal in how he could move his body and still find a way to kiss the glass or rim and get the ball in the basket. Parrish was consistent. He could rebound, score in the paint and more than anything he was very good on defense. He could make great centers work for their points. Bird goes without saying.

Again, I said I am not excusing McHale. I also think it is worth it to take into consideration Minnesota has also just been unlucky in terms of a promising young team breaking up, losing three years worth of first rounders, a promising young player dying and one aging "star" player going slap nuts silly in turning down a good deal (Spree). Trading Cassell was a gigantic blunder. He had almost a MVP season last year giving the Clips leadership and steady PG play. Jaric is not a bad player but he's not worth what Cassell brings to the table. Wasting cap resources on guys like Jaric, Hudson, Madsen, etc. when you KNOW you only have so much cap room around KG's deal is just foolish. Shaq was lucky to have Kobe develop as he did. Two superstars you can overpay to keep. All they did was surround them with affordable veterans who just wanted to win titles. KG does not have a Kobe next to him that came in on a rookie scale contract and could be resigned to exceeed the cap.

The T-Wolves told Joe Smith to sign a one year deal with them and they would "reward" him with a bigger deal since they would have his old rules Bird rights at that point. He agreed. Somehow this was done on paper and it was a major no-no even though it had been done before in the past. Just no one except McHale was stupid enough to get caught. That situation helped lead to the lockout as well. They traded Cassell to get Jaric. They don't have that much room under the cap thanks to KG's salary. It definitely has made trading to bring in people difficult or bringing in FA that are better than just MLE type deals (Jaric, Eddie Griffin, eventually Joe Smith). I am not excusing Mchale, he has made some very bad mistakes (Troy Hudson, Jaric) in terms of managing what cap room he does have left around KG but that team has been just flat-out unlucky as well. Malik Seeley (I probably butchered his last name) dying when he finally was doing well for them, the whole Marbury/Googs fiasco that broke up a young promising team, Cassell being injured against the Lakers and another one of their guards being out, I think it was Hudson? in that series...its tough. They had to grossly overpay KG to keep him from hitting the FA market and its been downhill since then. I do not blame KG for their problems outside of the fact his contract in very real terms hinders player movement around him. He does his part, the Wolves just can't keep a team around him.

The health concerns about Okafor (which btw are proving to be legit) scared them off enough to draft Howard. I can't blame Orlando after the Grant Hill debacle. I do know that Howard was expecting at first to drop down to Atlanta's pick but it did not happen. Somehow the expectation has settled in that Dwight doesn't want to leave Orlando but that's not all what I've heard.

KG's contract has kept Minnesota from keeping people. People forget (or are too young to remember I suppose) that Minnesota used to have the next "Big 3" in the NBA with KG, Marbury and Googs. Marbury wanted $$$ and to be "the man" on his own team so off he went. Googs left for less money to go a team he felt was closer to winning a title and several knee surgeries and one freak condition that almost killed him and we know how that worked out. Minnesota knew the Bulls were going to throw the bank at KG so they made him a gigantic offer and he took it. Now with the cap as it has been since his deal (which btw is one of the main reasons the 1997 lockout happened) it has kept Minnesota from really putting together a team around him. Not to mention the whole Joe Smith fiasco which cost them first rounders for years. If Minnesota had not choked against the Lakers they probably would have won the title that year. But they traded away Sam I Am and Spree went insane thinking he was worth more than he was. So that team was broken up.

You know its funny I have heard Howard wants to come back to Atlanta but he's obviously not going to say it publically until he's at a point where he can sign an offer sheet here.

Oh ...nice. We replace the cheap skate AOL/TimeWarner group with someone even cheaper?

We all know how productive 17 year old centers are in the NBA. We need an eyeroll emoticon for posts like that.

The very guy you are defending is the best example of the golden rule about big men: as a general rule its not until they are 25 or 26 years old that you really see what they are about because it takes them that long to adopt their body to the NBA game. Mihm was given up on by Cleveland too early. He goes to the Lakers where with a dash of confidence in him by the coaching staff he finally has matured into what he should be (barring injuries) until he's 33-35 years old: a decent backup starter or a mediocre starting one. Bynum's potential is so much higher than Mihm's current on court value that is not even close to measuring them. Bynum is the complete package of a center that we desperately need on our team: he can score in the low post which currently we have ZERO guys that can do that, he can rebound and he can fill the lane. By filling the lane I mean more than getting assist blocks but able to hold his position in the paint AND block the low post scorer. There is no guarantee he will live up to his potential. I have seen nothing in him that makes me give up on him. Cleveland in recent history has given up on at least two big men in Mihm and Diop that have shown that they can start in the NBA. At a low cost to get a big man that we can't pry away in FA we would be FOOLS not to jump all over Bynum if he's really available.