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  1. Atlantaholic
    Has KD length on those toes.
  2. Atlantaholic
    Trae's finally in a heater hope it lasts for the rest of the season.
  3. Atlantaholic
    You should be familiar with Trae's game by now fam.
  4. Atlantaholic
    I agree, but I also think it's not the only factor. There are some matchups where we need Clint because OO is simply too small.
  5. Atlantaholic
    I don't think they are all trash, but none are perfect that's for sure. It's possible to look at a constellation of different measures to get an idea about a player's defensive ability and value. Especially when you have large sample sizes (several seasons) available and you see the same trends time and time again.
  6. Atlantaholic
    There are better defensive metrics than DRTG, but yes they are all much less useful than offensive metrics. It's just very difficult in general to judge defense when everyone on the team is involved in it collectively much more so than the offense.
  7. Atlantaholic
    Yea, it's extremely frustrating how he can't stay on the floor. He's valueable when he's out there.
  8. Atlantaholic
    Exactly, even within the same team it's flawed for sure. It's still dependant on the other four guys who are playing alongside the player. Like if we look at Brunson, he is at 114 DRTG when the Knicks as a team are at 110. So he's -4 compared to his team average. Trae is at 121 vs 119 team average so he is -2. Is Trae a much better defender than Brunson? Just a stat that says nothing,
  9. Atlantaholic
    Oh of course, yea a lot of it is the foul issues, not sure why he can't solve that.
  10. Atlantaholic
    I don't know. Biggest issue is he barely plays. He's at 22mpg.
  11. Atlantaholic
    He was significantly worse on defense for sure. But terrible or decent Trae's defense isn't the needle mover on that end.
  12. Atlantaholic
    Yea man, he wasn't blowing open dunks back then that's for sure.
  13. Atlantaholic
    When the Hawks made their run in 2020-2021 Clint had a DPOY type of season, and the Hawks were actually playing defense under Nate. Can't find the number but I'm pretty sure they showed it in one of the late season telecasts that the Hawks under Nate that year after the LP firing were 1st in Ortg, and around 12th in Drtg. That's kind of where you need to be to make a run. Clint isn't horrible now or anything, he's still clearly the best defender on the team, but he isn't anywhere near that level anymore, probably around top 15 or 20 on defense rather than top 3.
  14. Atlantaholic
    I mean not to mention the Hawks don't sniff the playoffs.
  15. Atlantaholic
    My bro we get swept by New York without Trae Young.
  16. Atlantaholic
    It's just kinda crazy to make these type of comments on these players based on ORTG and DRTG. Those stats basically tell you essentially who is most efficient offensively (ORTG: Points produced per 100 shots) and pretty much next to nothing (DRTG: Points allowed by the team while you are on the floor per 100 posessions). You can compare DRTG in the same team and get an idea of who is the best defender on the team, but you can't compare different individual DRTG of players on different teams because DRTG will be higher or lower depending on everyone else that shares the lineup with that player. Haliburton's 122 drtg is pretty much similar to everyone else on the team with significant minutes, and dido for the other guys on their teams. Brunson and Shai have much better defensive ratings than Trae Young and Hali because they play in top 7 and top 4 defensive teams in the league. If you put Brunson on the Hawks his DRTG wouldn't stay the same it would go up and he'd end up having the same DRTG as Trae give or take a couple of points. It just doesn't tell you anything about individual defense. And to clarify, not saying Trae IS a better defender than any or all of those guys, but just that DRTG is not what you can look at to determine that, the same way you can't look at ORTG to determine who is the best offensive player on a team or league. (It's usually always centers who shoot 60% from the floor that lead their teams) ORTG is flawed because it assumes that players will maintain their same exact rate of production at vastly increased volumes, which is pretty much never the case.
  17. Atlantaholic
    HIs ceiling is his floor. He's put up the same season every season he's been in the league.
  18. Atlantaholic
    Trae's defensive rating is along the lines of everyone else on the team. Drtg is a stat he shares with the people that are in the lineup when he plays.
  19. Atlantaholic
    Trae used to be the scapegoat, but his defense has been pretty decent last half season and to start this year and the Hawks are still terrible.
  20. Atlantaholic
    They provided the exact same terrible defense last year in a different scheme.
  21. Atlantaholic
    The Knicks are really good this year. They will be fighting for a 4th/5th seed with Indy. If Trae has finally turned the corner we may be in that mix for the 4th/5th, but if Trae is going to shoot around or under 43% this season we are probably fighting for a play in spot once again.
  22. Atlantaholic
    Shooting 46%/38% isn't meaningless lmao. How many conference finals did John Wall make? Trae had an awful series against Miami, doesn't negate his fantastic regular season. Butler had an even worse series the year before, doesn't mean he is a bum. It's a five game sample. I'm not saying Trae Young was perfect, but he was a top 10 player that year, and better than John Wall ever has been.
  23. Atlantaholic
    Trae Young averaged 29ppg 9apg while shooting 46%/38% (60%TS) leading the Hawks to the #2 offensive rating in the NBA on a team where John Collins was the second leading scorer at 16ppg. He ranked second in the NBA in offensive Raptor and 12th in WAR that season. John Wall never did anything like that.
  24. Atlantaholic
    He was better than the current version of Trae for sure, but nowhere near as good as peak Trae.
  25. Atlantaholic
    I mean, I agree the offense will be better, but Nate's offense, for the record, wasn't bad. It was 7th in the NBA. (right now we are 6th). Assuming Trae returns at least to last year's form we should probably be top 5 maybe top 3 if he gets back to his peak form. But the issue isn't offense. We can't stop anyone. We haven't been able to stop anyone for around 170 games now.
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