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hace 12 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

I can't go into much details to even give that many clues away. Just know I been speaking about this trade or a trade like this for months now. It's a sole survivor. Most of the other trades have died at the stake

Then is Myles Turner deal. Third team is Houston and PG coming here is Holiday. My guess.

hace 37 minutos, JTB dijo:

Yeah I gotta say I’ve thought about this back in January (having Edwards). I would give up Huerter for a Young+Edwards+Cam+Hunter combination in a heartbeat! add in Gordon Hayward along with JC and Capela....resign skal and teague! That’s a great off season to me and long term potential is just insane with the ability to get to the playoffs next season but even if we kept #6 and huerter I would be fine with that too as both scenarios  improve the team in my opinion.

But the way I see it is as far as long term investment adding Edwards .....you get this...

- Trae has superstar potential due to his superb all around offense. He’s the closest thing to Steve Nash with his passing since CP3 prime years in my opinion but offers great scoring ability all at the same time. I have no problem if he runs the offense full time or if he adds some curry in his game as far as off ball movement.

-Cam has superstar potential due to his superb natural talent of being a two way player, great defensive skills and good offense skills that could be great depending on who he’s playing with which in this case it’s a good chance he becomes elite in both. Widely considered the next PG13 but already off to a better defensive start than PG13 and his shooting really came along in the 2nd part of last season which we knew would start to happen as he gain the experience. At the very least I see Cam as a two way all star player who could hit superstar status especially playing by Trae.

-Edwards just like Cam has superstar potential to me due to his superb natural talents but he is the opposite of cam. Edwards has a great offensive skillset as a 3 way scorer and good defensive skills that could turn into great defensive skills when he’s locked in. Edwards offense potential however is what gets the attention. There isn’t anything Edwards can’t do as a scorer! That talent level as a scoring threat is insane for his age. While I can’t say he’s a complete all around offensive talent like Trae, I do believe he could turn out to be more of a scoring threat Trae. Edwards is the closest thing to a DWade comparison but I’d be careful with giving him that comparison.

 

There has never been a time in hawks history where I can remember that we have 3 guys who has real legit superstar potential. I am not saying they’ll all hit the jackpot  but I feel extremely  confident each player will at some point. So again I’m taking edwards if there’s a path to get him here if I’m Schlenk ...this path has a rare okc star potential (Kd, Westbrick, Harden) add ibaka defensive star = ATL star potential (Trae, Edwards, Cam) add hunter defensive star....that’s your long term core along with JC .

thats how I see things potentially playing out. Yes Travis make that move up for Edwards! Cash in now!

When you see a highlight video of Edwards I agree you can see a superstar. But what makes a superstar is his decission making and the times he does things right, that converts to wins. Edwards percentages are really bad compared to other players, he is athletic but is undersized. That combination of undersized SG with bad percentages.... I am not buying it, I am not buying a superstar there. I saw something in Cam but was really a reach considering his stats, we were buying on the defensive potential, been a victim of an offense designed for Barrett and Zion and influenced by an injury. There were some arguments behind the selection. What are the arguments behind Edwards, he was the star on a team with offense designed for him and performed poorly.

Never looked at Edwards in detail before as I did not think we had a chance. Looking at the page I like most and navigating through the stats I reafirm my initial though of going after Haliburton or Okongwu. I like the strengths and weaknesses analysis and the  advanced stats analysis, the comparison is clear.

http://www.tankathon.com/players/anthony-edwards

http://www.tankathon.com/players/tyrese-haliburton

http://www.tankathon.com/players/onyeka-okongwu

 No need to go after Edwards AND give an asset for that.

Thanks for sharing Supes. I don't like Hayward for that price and I am not sure about the move for Edwards.

Having said that I expected much more from Kevin last year and is possible he would not achieve the potential we see in him, Hayward would be a fantastic addition on the floor while healthy. Huerter was a liability on defense last year and a terrible mate for Trae so I see why we would like to move him for the right price.

Supes, would you be so kind to tell us when you expect to be able to share something with us? I would thank you a lot that information to stop entering on this thread again and again like a fool.

hace 12 minutos, Diesel dijo:

Pilo... I appreciate you.  And I agree with a lot of what you say.

I even agree with Young, Cam, and Collins... with the understanding that Cam and Collins can be moved in the right deal.   I have no loyalty to Capela.  IF he can make a good trade happen for us... then let's do it. 

Here's a problem:

"In a situation where you have huge cap space and young assets with huge potential the way to maximize your winning chances is to fill the current roster with short contracts for role players that help the team grow, develop and win games and be on a position to keep your full core in 3-4 years once they have reached their potential."

I think this statement isn't one that is true at all times.  Maybe not even half the time.   I think of the short contracts of Sap and DMC that made Laettner a less than stellar GM. 

In the situation where you have huge cap space and young assets... you start to look at vets who may not be happy in their situation. 

KAT,  Beal, Buddy H...  all these guys are rumored to be unhappy in their situation.   All these guys have skillsets that we could use.   I would spend less on KAT because of the shortness of his contract. 

You also have to look at teams that's restarting... like the Wizards.    For instance... if PTL said that they were starting over.. then our first call ought to be about McCollum. 

But for the most part, we agree. 

Of course the worst part of the plan is Atlanta's lack of ability to attract FA.  But we are not talking about stars, just role players that play defense, do not f*** the offense and fill our holes, there is a good amount of those on this year FAgency.

About the examples you mention I would trade 6th pick, Huerter and Capela for KAT on a heartbeat. But the price for Beal or Hield is too hiigh and you end with a worst team medium term than keeping your core. We are not on winning mode yet, we are building to be on winning mode on 3 years, probably with a few trips to the playoffs until we reach that point.

We have been rebuilding for 3 years, absorbing bad contracts to be able to get assets.

We have reach a point where we have 7 assets and all are seen as potentially above average players. Young, Kevin, Cam, Hunter, Collins, Capela and 6th pick. In fact some of them have the potential to be top 15 at his position, Young, Cam, Collins and Capela if you ask me.

So the issue here is if you do a trade you are getting less value than the potential you know these players have. There is a reason teams do not trade players on rookie contracts, return they are getting is low compared to the value. Only players we can find in some trade conversations are Huerter and #6th pick, lower value assets today, situation might change depending on the pick me make.

In a situation where you have huge cap space and young assets with huge potential the way to maximize your winning chances is to fill the current roster with short contracts for role players that help the team grow, develop and win games and be on a position to keep your full core in 3-4 years once they have reached their potential.

A trade of a young asset with good potential for a 30 year old good player or a 1 year rental is not the way to go.

Any team you get by your trade proposals is worst now and on the future to a team that adds to this 7 players a group like Christian Wood, Dedmon, Skal, Jae Crowder, KCP, Napier and Haliburton to name a possible plan. There might be a lot more FA options with similar impact on the team.

We are on a unique position, is not the time to experience anger and try to squeeze the plan and jump steps, that is how you ruin the plan. Enjoy the growth road gents, we are going through the good road

hace 30 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

We are getting really close to a lot of blockbusters. 

Can you let us know in advance what are we looking for? Wings? Bigs? PG? Is there any chance we are moving someone from our core?

I don't think anyone is giving big money to Hayward, after the injuries he is not a max player.

I don't like any Jrue trade. There is no reason to trade for an expiring all-star and lose the opportunity to add a piece to our core. We are going to need those pieces in 3-4 years when this young team matures. There is no point adding a 1 year rental to win next season, we are on growing stage, not winning stage.

Anyway I still think we can made the playoff next year but not advance to second round with or without Jrue, does not make ay difference at all.

It would be a huge step forward and a big indication for the future to make the playoffs next season. Most likely we fail, team is too young to win but if we add some vets and on a weak east anything can happen. I can see it but we would need to add at least a vet PG, wing and a big. 2 wings would be optimum. Something like Napier, Jae Crowder and Christian Wood would make it but other cheaper options like Dunn, KCP and Jerami Grant can work as well.

hace 7 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

A lot of teams want to be in that 6-8 range. I should add 5-8 range. It's the hot spot in this draft. 

I think that is because teams are valuing Haliburton, Okongwu and Hayes as much as top 5 assuming Toppin and Advija make top 5. I think we are on a great position to draft a contributor at positions of need with little difference with players on top 5. I would not be surprised if Okongwu, Haliburton and Hayes end as the best players of this class on 3 years. That is why I am against moving up, I don't see any difference.

I have seen enough on Cam to think he could be our bet at SG long term, I think he fits well with Trae. The potential is great.

I don't see bigger potential in Edwards at SG, I don't see a better fit with Trae, in fact I see a worst fit and I don't see enough gap with Haliburton or Okongwu to justify losing Huerter.

I think is a bad move medium and long term for the Hawks.

Come on Supe, I am updating every hour to see if you post the update.

Okongwu can be Draymond, game changer on defense, he does not have the passing or the 3pt shot yet but he has other tools and I am convinced he can improve the shooting and the passing.

hace 1 hora, JayBirdHawk dijo:

I agree with this take:

https://theathletic.com/2167226/2020/10/29/atlanta-hawks-nba-draft/

Could not agree more, I don't want a 30 year old rental for one year. All in prospects for me are: Edwards, Ball, Wiseman, Okongwu, if any of those are available take him. Good prospects are Advija, Toppin, Hayes and Haliburton. Chose the pick between these 8 players if a cannot reject offer do not become available.

hace 26 minutos, txsting dijo:

I would really love Shai Gilgeous Alexander.  I would trade Huerter, #6, and a protected 2021 1st.  Not sure that fits OKC, they are in a similar phase of building, and may not really desire picks.

No way they trade SGA, they see him as we see Young or Collins. He is core piece for OKC

hace 1 hora, Peoriabird dijo:

We just continue to give this guy a pass for Evan Turner or Damien Jones trades or Vince Carter resigning or  Jabari Parker signings or Chandler Parsons trades and this was just last year.  IF he gives up draft capital for a washed up Derozen who didn't take the Spurs anywhere then we know what kind of GM he really is.

Turner was brought to get rid of Bazemore, Jones for Spellman, Parker and Carter were vets on a transition... They wer not supposed to ve difference makers, just fillers. I agree the siginings worked worst than expected but they were just fillers. 

Now we are going to fill the team to start winning. We washed all those players for Dedmon, Capela, Teague and Skal that are real contributors. We will see how the offseason works, we nees to add a backup PG or 2, 2 wings and a big and those players are supposed to be contributors, we made clear we want to big now. Let's see how we do this offseason.

hace 5 horas, Peoriabird dijo:

Its not about the board deciding on who should be a Hawk but rather the competence of the front office. I just haven't been impressed with Travis Schlenk thus far.  All of the report regarding his trade targets make no sense for this team.  He was gifted Capela but otherwise his trades have been garbage.  I'm worried!

I don't think we should jugde Travis trades till now. We were trading for expiring vets to get picks. He was not looking for useful players, we were not on winning mode. That changed last year, Capela was a great trade. Due to all these trades we have now a good young core and a 6th pick that needs to be filled with vets to be on a position to win. This is the season when we need to start judging trades and FA. Travis needs to add 3-4 players to round the team, let's see how he does it.

hace 9 minutos, Blunt91 dijo:

I wouldn't mind Josh Richardson.  He fits the age profile (27) and has 2 years left on a decent contract.

I posted it earlier, I think he would be a perfect fit here, 3& D player and can play backup PG, best fit for us. He is a fantastic player and his age fits the team, by the time our core is developed he would still be able to contribute. I think he can be had for cheap as Phily needs cap space for Chris Paul.

I think PG was a fantastic player but at his 30 and after some scary injuries he is going down and I think he will go down quickly.

I don’t think he is the player you want to grow with our young core. I would think on a younger and cheaper player, I am beginning to think Josh Richardson is the best fit if we want to make a deal.