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hace 5 minutos, txsting dijo:

I might take BOTH Adams and Capela just for value reasons.  I mean, for a mid round pick that doesn't mean much to us anyway, as young as we are?  Hope Schlenk is smart enough to trade 3 quarters for a dollar.

Adams AND Capela are redundant, no shooting no spacing, same player eating 40 million of cap space and getting us out of 2021 FA race, no way in my mind.

hace 5 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

I will post more when I get to the computer but here's the highs and lows w/o a lot of detail.

Adams deal is at 95%. They are finally realizing that they won't get that Brooklyn pick and accepting it as well. They wanted Bruno for awhile but are finally realizing that's not happening either. They are back at the table again and it's close. This one might really happen sooner than later.

 

Capela

Morey is trying to get BOS and ATL to bid v. Each other. Claiming MIN like Boston pick better while claiming MIN likes Atlanta deal better to Boston. He better choose fast because once Anige gets Intel that Atlanta doing another deal, low ball central will arrive. 80%

 

JJJ and Collins talk has died. They wanted Hunter as well. The end.

Myles Turner talk has died. 

Drummond talk is dead as an ox

Bamba is seen as part of Orlando young core, no breno

Big news: Hawks made an offer for Vucevic and Brooklyn is interested. There is a great chance he won't be moved yet but keep your eyes on this one should we not land a center at the deadline.

 

I got a lot more. Give me some time and I'll get the details to you all tonight. 

Of course I like Capela more than Adams, contract is better, longer and I like the player much more, however if the cost is too much for Capela I am fine going for Adams.... if is just BKN pick... I think I will do it. Any chance we can get House from them for Bembry, I like House a lot.

hace 2 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

Big news: Hawks made an offer for Vucevic and Brooklyn is interested. There is a great chance he won't be moved yet but keep your eyes on this one should we not land a center at the deadline

I don’t understand Vucevic? BKN? Is it Allen or Orlando? I hope is Allen lol

hace 7 minutos, REHawksFan dijo:

You haven't seen me suggest trading Atl pick for Capela. That would be dumb. But I'd trade the BKN pick in a second. I also would package the ATL pick or a future pick with JC if it netted a legit starter. 

I would do BKN pick for Capela 

I would do JC plus Atl 1st for JJJ

That would be outstanding imo and would better match the timeline of Trae, Kev, and the rooks. 

I would not do JC for JJJ if Atl pick is top 3, no way

hace 59 minutos, REHawksFan dijo:

It's just my opinion, but you are continually putting WAY too much value on this year's picks. None of these players appear to be able to help the Hawks next year. Not Wiseman. Not Edwards. Not Hampton. Not Okongwu. None of them. Trading the picks for players that are more established and further along in their development will, imo, help bring the timeline for all the players to a more equitable period and will put an end tot he continual lottery prospects. 

At some point you have to cut the cord of the lottery and center your team around more experienced and established, legitimate NBA players. Not developmental prospects. With Trae's rapid assent to stardom, the timeframe was ramped up. This entire roster needs an overhaul, and my preference is to utilize the picks to obtain more proven NBA commodities. 

 

You could be right but no GM on the world would trade a top 5 pick for Capela, or for Adams, plain and simple, none. BKN Pick, OKC pick? Might be but there is good depth on this draft and teams know it, that is why they are looking for picks. There is a reason OKC and Houston are looking to trade both and we have similar players at FA this year, Noel, Drummond, Whiteside, Baynes...

I think there are like 20 players in the draft with legit shot to become good rotation players and a clear top 3 with another clear top 10. I might be wrong, is true but if we have more chances we may hit big on a pick. I haven’t seen a trade that bring us a starter yet, just the Adams trade for Parsons and OKC pick, I am all in for that trade.

hace 3 minutos, turnermx dijo:

This isn't happening. Minimum 25m which he isn't worth, keeping us from making a splash in 2021 FA

This isn’t happening today, would you think Cousins had to sign for 2 million? I think Drummond market is more 20 than 30. I might be wrong but that is why I say best case scenario, price goes down and you are able to sign him

hace 1 minuto, KB21 dijo:

Neither scenario puts the Hawks into playoff contention next season.  

Scenario 1 makes you a playoff team next year and a contender in 3-4. Scenario 2 you are barely making the playoffs.

None of the scenarios younare suggesting for guys that are really available takes us to a better land. Love will not improve the team, Adams is much more expensive than Noel and is not playing better. Capela might be a good addition and cheaper but we don't have what Houston wants. And none of those scenarios give you next year a better team, you just lose assets

I just don't get it why you want to run now, makes no sense at all.

Every scenario I see give us better team next year if we stay pat. 

I will give you two scenarios now and you tell me how can you improve by trading now.

Best case scenario

Draft Wiseman and  RJ Hampton or Stewart or Carney Jr

Sign Drummond for 20m$ a year, Bertans and Ibaka for 10 and 8. Sign Bigdanovic for 12.

Young/Teague/Hampton

Bogdanovic/Huerter/Hampton

Hunter/Reddish

Collins/Bertans/Ibaka

Drummond/Wiseman/Ibaka

Most likely scenario

Draft Okongwu and Hampton or Stewart

Sign Wood, Noel and Baynes (or Len) for 6,  9 and 6 m$. Sign Jor Harris for 10.

Young/Teague/Hampton

Harris/Huerter/Hampton

Hunter/Reddish

Collins/Wood/Okongwu

Noel/Baynes/Okongwu/Fernando.

You could even trade for Adams instead of getting Noel.

Now tell me how you can improve that by trading the picks, I don't get it. Best case scenario is likely, if we win 12 games now is not. Most likely scenario is where we are heading anyway.

hace 48 minutos, KB21 dijo:

On the contrary, we are currently mired in our third losing season.  We are limited on veteran players who know how to win in this league and understand the type of effort it takes to win in this league.  We are sitting here hoping that a lot of players who are young and quite frankly bad right now end up becoming superstars.  This is exactly why teams who do this end up staying in this losing cycle for so long.  See the Minnesota Timberwolves.  They got very bad, ended up making a mistake on Andrew Wiggins and then got KAT.  They are still a very bad basketball team.  

The other part of this is that the “star” player you drafted after that first losing season is already getting tired of the losing.  

We are talking about waiting 2 months to end on a much better position than to trade now for some non difference maker vets for nothing because the only thing you can do is hurt your chances at draft night.

I agree on signing good FAs this summer but I also want to add the best available talent to the roster on draft night.

As I said next year even with 4-5 good players on the roster is difficult we will have more than 40 wins. 

Trae will be patient if he understand the plan and someone explain it correctly. We should not ruin the plan for 2 months.We have been shipping players and accumulating losses to have those 2 high picks.

hace 4 horas, KB21 dijo:

Well, I’d do an even swap of Damien Jones for Mo Bamba.

I would give a lot to get Bamba, he would be a huge building block, a good fit. Guys you need to realize we are not going to win a lot with sophomores and 3rd year players, is about growing and improving right now the roster. We might add Adams, Ibaka, Bertans and Joe Harris and still improve no more than 40 wins. Is going to take time, took time for the Warriors and will take time for any young team like us. I am beginning to worry about the impatience of the fan base, if management gets too we could make a major mistake, I think people do not realize we are in the best situation for making a run to the title in 3-4 years, best situation in the league.

hace 4 minutos, Jody23 dijo:

I don't see the Hawks doing anything before the deadline and I just can't see Memphis moving JJJ.

I think we might do something like McRae, Bullock.... even Adams.... Most chances for me is that we stay pat

hace 4 minutos, KB21 dijo:

Any deal made should have an answer to this question.  How does this deal help this team NOW?

Sorry that makes no sense, we go nowhere this season, we own one of the 3 worst records and ha a shot as a legit star in Edwards or Wiseman, why risk that chance for not making the playoffs? Sorry makes no sense. We are still on year 2 of the rebuild process, patience is a need, this summer is the summer to get immediate help for a young roster but first you need to know the pieces you have unless something you cannot reject is offered. Love is not that, Adams neither although for the right price... JJJ might be.

hace 14 minutos, KB21 dijo:

Those first round picks aren’t even in the discussion for me, as I just don’t see a path to where those picks actually contributes to winning with this team.  It’s time to trade those picks for veterans that can help the team win now.

I disagree, you need to have all the chances you can to hit a homerun on a draft pick, is not that we are a deep team and have not space available. We have no prospects at frontcourt other than Collins. In a few years we need to make some decissions, sign some young guys and let others go, is important you have other rookies on rookie contract ready to contribute. Look at the big picture, maximize the value.

hace 14 minutos, gurpilo dijo:

I think that if we get JJJ for Collins we should go after guys like Ibaka, Noel and Wood that are legit rebounders. With Noel JJJ can play the 4 or they can switch, that would be an awesome defensive tandem, with Ibaka he can play Center, I am not sold on Harrell at all, he lacks size, defense and rebounding, something Ibaka and Wood have. 

Also looking at the draft, even adding JJJ I think we should add a big if Wiseman and Edwards are gone. Okongwu intrigues me a lot, a young Adebayo, Carney Jr and Stewart could also be fantastic additions. Defense and rebounding available at our pick and BKN picks, we need big projects.

hace 5 minutos, Wurider05 dijo:

While I respect your opinion----you are wrong on so many levels. JJJ/Harrell currently produces 11 rebs a game total. Harrell is going to want 20 million a season. Jerami Grant gives us nothing and you want to get even younger with Okungwu. 

I think that if we get JJJ for Collins we should go after guys like Ibaka, Noel and Wood that are legit rebounders. With Noel JJJ can play the 4 or they can switch, that would be an awesome defensive tandem, with Ibaka he can play Center, I am not sold on Harrell at all, he lacks size, defense and rebounding, something Ibaka and Wood have. 

hace 22 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

Bagley has the most star potential. 

Bamba still has the highest potential

JJJ still has the most two way potential. 

Bamba and JJJ got damn near the same WAR

hace 25 minutos, NBASupes dijo:

Garbage.  Bagley was better than Collins in USA camp and he had a tremendous 2nd half of the season as a rookie. He's been injured all year this year. You were wrong on Bagley. 

 

Bamba been miscast due to coaching and system. He will flourish in a better situation. He was always drafted based on his unicorn potential. 

Right now, JJJ WAR is four times lower than Trae. That was your main guy right? Bagley is a monster, keep that same energy when he's healthy. 

I agree, Bagley is going to be a star, injuries have affected his performance this year but he showed what he can do last year on February and March. The top 3 was clear, Ayton is a little worst than expected and Doncic has clearly exceeded the expectations. 
out of the top 3 Young has clearly exceeded the expectations, JJJ has performed as expected and we need to wait for Porter Jr and Bamba. Porter Jr is starting to show up  but he will be brought slowly and Bamba... I would not delete him yet but so far he is clearly a disappointment.

hace 37 minutos, gurpilo dijo:

Lol seeing again my comments, funny to see how things were different than expected. I really thought there were a clear top 3, Doncic and Ayton are franchise players, well Doncic is looking like a Bonafide Star, I wanted him so hard... he was really my choice and I have a hard time accepting we traded him. Bagley’s constant injuries have delayed his development but I still think he is going to be special.

on the other 3 JJJ is looking as I thought, Porter Jr is starting to look like a really good player and Bamba has failed all expectations, I even wanted him over JJJ. Of course I was not suggesting to take Porter Jr with our pick.
 

What really was a surprise for me was the offensive explosion of Young, I really thought we were getting a inefficient offensive player, Marbury clone, and a liability on defense. Clearly I was wrong as he has been much more efficient on offense and he makes his mates better, something I was not expecting at all. On defense he is as expected but he is a leader and someone you can build around. I am glad he is with us.

Anyway 2 years after I would still draft and keep Doncic, I think he is going to be a HOF player and someone  that can take a team to a title. I have more doubts with Trae, his defense is something that still concerns me but too early to tell, I hope next year we can evaluate him with a decent roster around. Also after 2 years the top 3 is quite different Doncic, Young and Ayton are the clear top 3, JJJ and Bagley following them.

Also I have to say that I was completely right with Robinson and I am still intrigued by a lineup of Schröder, Doncic, Prince, Collins and Robinson wirh Huerter coming of the bench.

hace 4 horas, thecampster dijo:

I searched pretty hard for the perfect post to revive this thread.  I would love everyone to take a second and read as much as they can between page 50 and 150 (yes its a lot). find your own posts offer your "Yah, I have no idea what I was thinking when I said that" posts. If Gurpilo were honest, He'd choose this one (and is a good guy so I thought I'd use his).  Go back, look at what you were saying just 2 years ago.

Lol seeing again my comments, funny to see how things were different than expected. I really thought there were a clear top 3, Doncic and Ayton are franchise players, well Doncic is looking like a Bonafide Star, I wanted him so hard... he was really my choice and I have a hard time accepting we traded him. Bagley’s constant injuries have delayed his development but I still think he is going to be special.

on the other 3 JJJ is looking as I thought, Porter Jr is starting to look like a really good player and Bamba has failed all expectations, I even wanted him over JJJ. Of course I was not suggesting to take Porter Jr with our pick.
 

What really was a surprise for me was the offensive explosion of Young, I really thought we were getting a inefficient offensive player, Marbury clone, and a liability on defense. Clearly I was wrong as he has been much more efficient on offense and he makes his mates better, something I was not expecting at all. On defense he is as expected but he is a leader and someone you can build around. I am glad he is with us.

Anyway 2 years after I would still draft and keep Doncic, I think he is going to be a HOF player and someone  that can take a team to a title. I have more doubts with Trae, his defense is something that still concerns me but too early to tell, I hope next year we can evaluate him with a decent roster around. Also after 2 years the top 3 is quite different Doncic, Young and Ayton are the clear top 3, JJJ and Bagley following them.

I think is extremely unlikely Memphis trades JJJ so early, even more difficult for a player with similar skills than their up and coming player. 
 

Having said that I also think is much much harder to find a Center than a PF, so the move makes sense but not at the cost of our own pick if is top 5. 

hace 2 minutos, Buzzard dijo:

I wonder if Schlenk would be willing to go into the 15-20 million a year range for a Center like Noel who has never really proven himself as a starter. I think it would take something like that to steal him away from OKC. Noel seems to like it there, so 10 million or so and I think Presti keeps him.

He is UFA and OKC cannot even offer him 10 million, they are over the cap. I think we could have him for 6-10 million range, remember nobody offer him anything this year.

Wood should be even cheaper. I really think we could have both for 15 million outbidding anyone. We could even wait on FA and probably sign both much cheaper, remember this summer after 3-4 weeks they were still unsigned.

hace 20 minutos, Buzzard dijo:

I have gone through a list of free agents and if Schlenk's primary criteria is 27 and under, the pickings are slim.

Alphabetical order and their ages:

Davis Bertans 27, Andre Drummond 26, Bogdan Bogdanovic 27, Evan Fournier 27, Jerami Grant 25, Monterzyl Harrell 26, Brandom Ingram 22, Otto Porter Jr. 26, Dario Saric 25, Fred VanVleet 25

I really want at least one or two older players on this team who have winning playoff experience. Hopefully that is Plan B, once plan A is exhausted.

From that list I like Bertans, Drummond and Bogdanovic as I think we don’t have a shot at FVV and Ingram and Harrell do not fit Collins, we need some real size. 

I am fine going after players on the 24-28 range, however Schlenk should not underestimate the importance of having a veteran presence like Ibaka, he is playing really well, probably the best fit out there on bigs for us and his playoff experience could be gold for us, I think he would be a fantastic addition.

On 31/1/2020 at 0:19, JayBirdHawk dijo:

All I'm seeing is old, old and older. 

Pass, that too many oldies on this roster.

Per Schlenk on local radio this afternoon:

He's looking for guys in the 24-28 range as FAs or via trade (guys who are also stuck on benches that have some potential).

I'll try and find the interview and post it.

That sounds like Christian Wood and Noel right? I doubt we do it though, never go for guys I see with potential

hace 3 horas, txsting dijo:

Christian Wood continues to impress me.  Beautiful game, and the metrics are very kind to him as well.

Wood is by some metrics the best player on Pistons roster, I was praying we would have signed him this year, he would be tremendous fit with John Collins.

Noel, Wood and Joe Harris.

alternatively and more expensive

Drummond, Ibaka and Bertans

two wild cards

Korkmaz and Crowder.

ummm that was not 3 lol