OldTimeHawk

Does anyone here think Ferry doesnt deserve GM of the year ??? Does anyone think if hes let go he stays unemployed if there is an opening GM job?? He made a lot of bold moves that a lot of folks here blasted him about yet it seems like every move has paid off in spades - I can get over a pc slip just like I can get over the Falcons if they pick up N. Suh in the off season - I just want to win ( unless of course Suh kills someone on the field then of course no )

Kinda funny that this " ELITIST" is probably leading the way for GM of the year and hasnt associated with the team since before the season started . Im willing to bet you Atlanta is going to have zero problems attracting the free agents we need next year.

I gave him a pass before - I always thought it was knee jerk bs especially after we learned the source of what he read in a closed meeting. Words will always be words, but I tend to judge by a lifetime of hard work and actions and what the people that know him and work with him think - not some idiots that are always looking for reasons to be offended - like these idiots that dont like him because hes from Duke - personally I always hated Duke And North Carolina because the deck was always stacked in their favor - BUT hes our GM now and only an idiot would want him out after his turnover of this roster has been so successful.

yeah why would we want to bring back the architect that rebuilt our team into one of the leagues hottest ?? ESPECIALLY when his "transgression" was simply reading a scouting report from an outside source ?? Especially after he had to work inside the confines of the dysfunctional ownership known as the Atlanta Spirit ?? The real question is " Why the hell would Ferry want to come back after being labeled a racist which any reasonable person would know he's not ?"

how many years did Teague languish on the bench ?? Give the man some time to develop - hes been hurt and out of the loop with his teammates and on a team that is already 10 deep in its lineups.

Is there any dispute whatsoever that this is Ferry's team ?? Ferry coach ?? Ferrys cap space ?? So given all that shouldnt it also be Ferry getting the credit ??? Adding to this , before the season started Ferry was getting dogged for theteam he assembled - so why ZERO love for the guy Diesel ?? Is it the elite thing again ??

the system will create a superstar . But the system will decide who shines on any given night. What we have here is a product of shrewd management , good coaching, and the players buying into the system . On any given night someone from 1 - 10 on the depth chart can step up and provide critical play that carries the team.

wow ! great win Hawks ! these guys are really playing well nd seem to feed off each others energy . Who's next ???

summary - we amnesty Joe, continue paying him and get nothing . You feel like this is the best course for the Hawks . Ferry on the other hand got rid of a declining Joe without using amnesty and got picks and cap space. Detroit we found your next GM !!

lets see - we can trade him away , get their number 1 darft pick and get expiring contracts or we can amnesty him and have to pay him but get the contract off the cap ?? Are you really proposing amnesty was a better option??

I guess you dont remember his contract being deemed around NBA circles as being untradable. I guess you dont remember his numbers declining. I guess you dont see or just totally ignore that hes been a huge disappointment in Brooklyn. Seems like sometimes dream teams on paper dont always add up to an NBA championship . Are you seriously going to say this team is worse off since Danny Ferry took over ??

we moved a player with a huge contract that wouldnt fit our system and disappeared come playoff time. Just getting someone to take the contract was a win for us and our ability to rebuild - without Joe gone this rebuild takes twice as long. I had to add also a player that has to dominate the ball to get his numbers - this system requires ball movement to be successful so iso Joe had to go . Hows it working out for the Nets ??

the system will create marquee players. Just as it does in San Antonio . Ever notice AFTER players leave San Antonio they just arent quite the same player?? Its the system which requires players to fill roles according to their strengths.

just call this part of the season the showcase series - this part of the season is going to go a long way to helping us grab some much needed help inside at trade deadline. Thank you Ferry for keeping your eye on the prize !

lets put it this way - I play rugby where its nonstop running - I taped up and was fine to plant and drive off my foot. When I said they dont need him they have players that right now are better and can do much of the same thing so they are going to get him well before putting him out there. If he was at this point essential to their success they would have him out there.

a good trainer can wrap that up and make it feel pretty good IF he needs to play . The Hawks simply dont need him so they are giving him rest.

all those players , how many championships with the teams that drafted them ??? Durant in my opinion hurts his team as much as he helps them - Labron they had to go out and get pair him with 2 other elite type players and they still lost twice in the championship . Money is, was , and always will be one of the biggest factors coupled with coaching/ managing - probably more managing personalities than coaching. Whats Labrons record in finals ?? Hardens ?? Durants ?? If you have a system that depends on 1 player its not going to be enough - now that one player may help carry your team, but you have to have a good supporting cast that understands its role. To say we need to lose to win is the type of culture that I personally dont want to be assocaited with .

money is at the heart of championship teams . How many times year in and year out do you see the same bad teams in the lottery ?? To say losing helps you win isnt exactly accurate and it doesnt guarrantee you walk awy with a superstar. Atlantas fragmented ownership is the biggest obstacle to winning period - look at what happened when we attempted to get Joe Johnson - right or wrong it sparked a war within the ownership group.

That is an option - also why not either jettison all your quality players for draft picks, put scrubs out there for a season to basically be placeholders and lose night in and night out - and hope you get lucky in the lottery .

maybe I dont understand your definition of " superstar" - I think there are maybe 4 superstars in the league right now - then there are players that are in the range of what we already have with Horford. Lebron - Durant being the top 2 that could change your team . Coby is on the way out . Chris Paul - again you keep saying superstar but even Lebron had to have a stacked deck to win it all. Durant couldnt do it with Hardin or Westbrook . The Spurs did it with a solid presence in the middle and key supporting pieces - I just dont think the Hawks can get a superstar unless we draft him and develop him. So having said that ( and if you cant explain where the superstar is coming from) what better options do you have that the Hawks arent already doing ??

it is what it is - how many teams are looking for that superstar ?? If you dont think that a system with specific pieces can compete with a team that features a superstar talent but not much else I dont know what to tell you . I dont want to see JJ.2 on this team where we live or die with a superstar dominating the ball. Its not about being groundbreaking , its about having a superior leader that can make everyone better and aspire players into beleiving in the system so much that they will do things outside their comfort zone - like actually playing defense or being unselfish with the ball , etc. At the end of the day we all know this - we arent getting a superstar so if you have a better plan on how this team gets better let us all know.

solid lineup put together by " Mr Elitist " - all we need now is a Superstar ?? Maybe we just need to grow this team and try to have balanced scoring so stopping 1 person doesnt stop the team. If this team is playing good fundamental ball we will look for a good player to mesh with this team to help push us over the top -

no , but I think the NBA as a whole has been guilty of ignoring racially insenstive behind closed doors behaviors. Just as locker room humor or remarks would be frowned on in public, I beleive there are other emails and meetings where questionable language has been used on a regular basis and the last thing the NBA wants in the wake of the Sterling incident and Ferry is anything else to leak out - hell they did all they could to keep the Ferry situation under warpas.

yeah thats why the Sterlings of the world have been allowed to manifest their ideology in the NBA for how many years ?? its still by virtue of the black out name protecting the original author of the scouting report - why ?? Doesnt matter , as has been said Ferry will be the GM until a new owner decides his fate. Im thinking we are going to see more of this type stuff popping up .

And that in itself is going to be an issue - the negative influence Gearon has had on the franchise may make serious buyers think twice about teaming up with such dysfunction UNLESS Gearon has been lying in wait with a buyers group ready to take control - which should be everyones worst nightmare.