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He got what he and the fan base wanted. I sincerely doubt even you thought he would play so poorly after the trade. No matter what you think, James Harden the player is still an all-star and a top tier player.

So Golden State guys were 25-25-27 years old when they won in 2015. Based on your aging logic? We going to get a championship next year or the year after?

I’m okay with Brogdon but he can’t be the only change because that is too easy of a trade. I really want to see this front office challenges like Morey does when becomes a deman-da.

If we strike out on any upgrades and just run it back I’ll be severely disappointed in the front office. I know some of you all think that Capela, Huerter, Bogi and Collins have championship potential in them playing together, but I don’t.

I was just reading about the limit of 2 Designated Rookie Scale Player Extension players per team. Hypothetically, the Hawks can sign Ayton SNT and also acquire another rookie scale max extension player (SGA, Donovan) because the contract of Ayton will no longer be a Designated Player at 5 year max contract. It would simply be a max contract at 4 years. The Ayton situation is unique in that respect. Can anyone confirm this? https://cbabreakdown.com/contract-types#:~:text=is discussed here.-,No team may have more than two players under a,be acquired through a trade. https://cbabreakdown.com/free-agency/#qualifying-veteran-free-agent https://www.spotrac.com/research/nba/deandre-aytons-next-contract-1452/

Not worried about it. It’s a player driven league anyway. Coaches are always overrated and blamed.

I’m disappointed at Marc Stein repackaging Jake Fischer rumors with confirmation. Based on that the only source must be Lavines agent.

Yes because of the outgoing salary matching. Capela to Phoenix, Collins to Chicago, the others.. meant Huerter and Bogi to 3rd teams. Gallo waived and maybe resign for TMLE.

In: DeAndre Ayton LaVine Out: Collins Bogi Capela Gallo Resign: Delon Summary: Cap gymnastics for both SNT but I don’t believe the LaVine recent smoke about him loving to stay in Chicago. Once free agency hits and Ayton decides on Atlanta then Lavine forces his way too big 3 style. Granted we have to wait until June 30-July 1 for this action.

I’m hoping for at least one NBA trade on Monday. It’s getting dry out there.

Compare the two defensive ratings by team year from the start of the Curry years. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/ https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/ Hawks need to get a good Defensive rating before they gonna come close. That is why we need to trade.. I don't see John getting a longer wingspan, Huerter becoming a defensive stopper, Bogi improving or Gallo improving on defense. Capela is just a big trade chip.

TLDR; Hawks have a "Steph" They need a "Klay" 20+ PPG consistently. They need a "Draymond" They need a "wing/glue guy" (Iguoudala/Wiggins mold) They need defensive bench players IMO they only have 1 out of the 6 factors squared away.

Certainly I think the dialog went cold between Jazz/Hawks. That being said I really want to see if Travis can pull off the Ayton SNT and either Mitchell or LaVine out of left field.

Poster discipline? Can we not segregate a rumor thread from team direction? I hate scrolling through nonsense posts! I’m not interested in finding nba trade information and debate sandwiched between 5 posts about John Collins job in the Miami series.

@sturt I’d like to see your reasoning for the following players getting to an elite level: John Bogi Kevin Capela The only elite player on our team is Trae. OO and Dre still TBD. You fervently defend keeping this core intact based on the ECF run.

I think a good formula is concentrating your players into 3-4 really reliable scoring guys plus some defensive role players. No more bogi+huerter+gallo.. I'd like to see this: Trae *20+ ppg SG* Dre Defensive PF.. maybe Onyeka???? (Trade JC for a SG package) Ayton *20 PPG+* and high usage

Yes Travis wants to defuse, any good GM would want that. As for actual trade discussion and potential trades actually happening? Almost certain.

He meant Utah wanted those two. As for a deal happening between Utah and Atlanta. I think it gets done. Utah will be desperate to move Gobert as things keep souring like Ayton. Ayton is a much harder deal and I'm sure Atlanta knows that. You have the Suns with James Jones & Ayton personally as well to convince.

Why today vs. next week? A whole weekend more of smoke and speculation as opposed to moving on to the real issue which is identifying a shooting guard. Also I don’t believe the Hawks are looking to move up in the draft so I’d like to know if they are or just trading 16.

Here it is! We will see if we stick with it. As much as I love debating the worthiness of John Collins or Bogi’s Knees or what you had for breakfast, I’d like a pure rumor thread for all NBA and Hawks specific trades and signings. Team direction and other ongoing arguments can be discussed further in the other thread. I’m hoping the Gobert trade is done today instead of the waiting until the 23rd but I’m sure that is just wishful thinking with Danny “War Chest” Ainge involved.

That may be true if we keep 16. I wonder if Travis can convince Utah to take CHA's protected pick next year so we can keep 16. Send Utah Capela/Hunter/CHA 2023 and get Gobert and Williams. You then avoid paying the Hunter extension as well.

Hunter is absolutely a weak link especially in a contract year. The gamble is that he has a big leap up in year 4 like Jaylen Brown did and figure it out. 50/50 chance at that. I'm sure the FO is really debating whether to ship him away to Utah or keep him on his rookie extension.

Masai is not letting go of OG. That ship gonna sail. One of the most team friendly contracts if not the most.

I never thought they were seriously considering anyone else. It’s going to be one of the 3 but they are preparing for Banchero. I can imagine the Jazz FO has the Capela/Huerter/16 offer on their table and they have tried every angle to get either added or swapped Collins/Hunter/additional picks. It’s a waiting game of chicken until free agency before the Ayton smoke clears if Jazz stay stubborn. I’d bet the Hawks will be fine with them taking the Jazz trade as structured by the Hawks and the Ayton structure would be leverage or 2nd deal smoke by the Atlanta front office/agents to spook Jazz. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see if Detroit throws a max offer and Phoenix doesn’t match. They gonna need to take a bare bottom offer if Atlanta takes Gobert. James Jones might get torched. He can easily get outleveraged quick with Gobert gone.

Christian Wood is not an upgrade. For scraps yeah but he can be a headcase with no defense. Dallas out of the center market. Also more importantly a domino has fallen so closer to having our smoke clear