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It's really not that hard to understand. As Hawksfanatic already said, you're trading an assett that is not currently being used because of better depth in front of him, for a future assett when it will be more needed. All while not having to pay that assett a salary and constrain you from doing other moves. Guess we need to look at Coach Bud's words again:

Not useless. It turns into two 2nd round picks.

Kinda feel for the Bucks fans, but then I think about it this way - this is probably the only chance Korver will EVER have of making the team due to his historic shooting season. But Knight is still young and will have many more opportunities at it.

FWIW: And then this: http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/breaking-news-hawks-trade-payne-to-timberwolves/nj78N/ This should serve as more writing on the wall for anyone wanting us to aqcuire another Big for rebounding, or whatever else, that isn't likely to happen. The team is apparenlty so satisfied with their bigs that they felt the need to move one of them out. Another wing player is what we are looking at.

Yep, I heard him say that. He actually said another guard that can defend, and play like we like to play, at least until Thabo gets back and they will be fine once that happens. Sounds like the writing is on the wall for Jenkins, I guess. With our biggest need, according to Horford, being a guard and Jenkins can't get any of that playing time: doesn't bode well for him at all. We know Jenkins can shoot the ball; I guess his defense is just too weak to give him any real minutes in our schemes. They probably played him so many games in D-League so other teams could get a look at him and hopefully get someone to take him off our hands for a 2nd round pick.

If they didn't have so many games missed to injury this year, they would probably be pushing for a playoff spot already this year. They aren't that far off.

LOL, talk about bad timing for a prediction.

I doubt they actually saw the pieces fitting together this well and the chemistry being as outstanding as it is. I think they had a solid plan about how they wanted to play ball, missed on some top tier free agents that they wanted, had good backup options in place when those plans fell through, and intended to put a solid product on the field that would be good enough to appeal to a superstar during the next free agency period. They accumulated good players on good contracts; players they could move if need be to accomodate a star, or trade for one. They obviously knew what they were doing, and trying to build. I'm guessing they thought this would be a highly competitive team that people could look at and go, "hey, get that team a superstar and they will be ready for the bigtime." But I highly doubt they foresaw the team being THIS amazing with the players we've got. I think most of us realize we probably don't need to add another star player to compete for a championship, but consider this: around this time last year most of us were lamenting the fact that no big name wanted to play for ATL, and we thought there was slim chance anyone ever would anytime soon. How times have changed, my friends? We're setup as a prime destination for any free agent now, if we were to want one of them (obviously assumes the ownership change is handled competently, which should be.)

Well I mean it's not ideal. But it's not something we can control, so why stress out about it? Horford and Millsap are a pretty darn amazing frontcourt to have. They obviously aren't perfect. But if they were, then we'd be having to pay them both max contracts, right? There aren't too many combinations at 4 and 5 that I'd rather have. And the players that might actually be an upgrade are most definitely not available, and especially not for less than max money. I just think we need to focus on what we have in them, and not what we don't have. We're 42 and freaking 10, and they are a big part of the reason why.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2015/1/20/7856143/pistons-vs-hawks-mike-budenholzer-mike-scott There have been numerous times he's mentioned something similar. Several players have mentioned it in postgame comments multiple times as well. Even a few of the talking heads have talked about it, the few that actually know what they are talking about.

OK, lets say for arguments sake what you suggest is true. Now comes the hard part: how? For defensive rebounds, this is something we all hear Bud mention in nearly every postgame press conference. It's not like they aren't coaching it or emphasizing it. On the offensive end, this is NOT going to change. Bud believes in ignoring the rebound and getting back on defense. This isn't going to change. And I respectfully submit that Bud seems to know what the heck he's doing. You can suggest we acquire and play a better rebounding Big. Sure, that sounds great. Until you think about our defensive scheme requiring our Bigs to be mobile enough to hedge screens out as far as the 3pt line and still be able to get back and D their man. And also have the mobility to provide excellent help defense on the weakside. I only know of 1 C/PF that would be able to play the type of mobile D that Horford/Millsap play while also being a significantly better rebounder, and that's Anthony Davis. Anyone think we have a chance at trading for him? The thing people need to focus on more than a lack of rebounding, is what are we trading that for? It's not that we are ignoring rebounding and not getting something out of it: far from it. We are getting much better overall team defense out of it. And it's not that Bud wouldn't want 7 footers that can do what Al and Paul do while also being able to be outstanding rebounders; it's that those guys don't just grow on trees.

Yet the only part of this that matters is we had 34 Defensive rebounds and they had 38. We don't EVER go for Offensive rebounds because Bud wants it that way. We get back to avoid giving up easy transition points off of one of our missed shots. It's ridiculous the amount of people that still don't understand this FACT. I'm not saying you don't know this, I just quoted your post because you put up rebound totals. But I've seen it from plenty of other people. And It's also ridiculous the amount of people that hate on Pero because they don't understand defense beyond looking to see if a guy is a shot-blocker or not. Hedging screens, cutting off drives, jumping in passing lanes, and a plethora of other activity seems to go unnoticed by far too many people. Lets not forget the guy makes barely over $1m. If Pero had a consistent 3pt shot to go with everything else he brings, the guy would be making $8m a year. We lost because our two All-Star frontcourt players both had horrendous shooting nights on wide open shots that they normally make - that's all. Nothing more. It wasn't because Memphis contested every single shot they took. Far from it. They had plenty of wide open, normally easy shots. You could probably even say we got hosed by some non-calls from the refs, but I'm not even gonna go there. Anyone who thinks Al and Paul were soft defensively this game, I don't know what to tell you other than get your eyes checked - soon.

Just think, if we sign Ray Allen we can be even more of this!

I agree with you 100% about the refs being terrible this game. I think they were bad towards both teams, and I may be biased but, like you, I also thought it was heavily slanted towards us with the majority of bad calls. The hilarious thing about this is when I read the GSW game thread on their forums, they are all pretty upset with the refs claiming we were getting all the calls and they were getting nothing. Confirmation bias is a bitch. After watching the game a 2nd time, I do still think we got the worst of the bad officiating, but it was bad for both teams. It seemed to me the biggest problem was they started the game letting both teams play physical; but then they just picked their spots where they wanted to call ticky tacky fouls and ignore similar contact 90% of the rest of the time. Just be consistent with the whistle.

For anyone that didn't read through their game thread, it was actually pretty entertaining. http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2015/2/6/7994325/warriors-vs-hawks-gamethread I like their fanbase. A few trash talkers, of course, but for the most part they seemed pretty knowledgeable and respectful: good fans. Good team. Simply can't hate on them. One thing I thought was pretty funny was when Nique said a few times that Green was too small to guard Millsap, they questioned that, and at the time I thought rightfully so. Green is a great defender. But I laughed near the end of the thread when one guy humbly pointed out that Nique was right becuase Sap schooled him on those pump fakes, lol.

Starting to love me some Schröder, especially as a backup PG. Seriously, who else has a backup PG with that much to offer? I do sometimes get a little irritated with too much ISO-Schro, but I think I understand what Bud is doing with him. Schro always says Bud is always on him to attack the basket, drive the lane over and over again. Bud has said the same thing. I think the next step in Schro's evolution will be learning better how to get his teammates involved with better and more consistent passess instead of mostly taking the shot himself. When he gets better at that skill, watch out NBA.

Not sure I agree with this. Looking long-term (i.e. playoffs) when we get Thabo back we have 3 elite level wing defenders in DMC, Baze, and Thabo. We don't have ANYONE else that can fill the Korver role as an offensive threat coming off the bench. JJ could be that guy, but obviously there is some reason that Bud is reluctant to play him in the regular rotation. And I think we all agree that Bud seems to know what he's doing? As I said earlier, without having that 3 point shooting threat on the floor when Korver takes a break, our offensive efficiency is 15 points lower. That is HUGE. By far the biggest number for any player on the team. It helps illustrate just how important that threat is to keep the driving lanes more open, and keep help defenders from crashing down on Millsap and Horford in the paint. So what that Allen isn't a great defender. Korver isn't a great on-ball defender either, but he is an excellent help defender and I'm sure Bud could get Allen to at least try to mimic some of the things Korver does on defense if he's only having to play 15-18 minutes per night. DMC/Thabo/or Baze would be on the floor with him to handle the big perimeter threat, just like we do with Korver. And I'll say it one more time, I would really like to have someone on the team that would allow us to reduce the heavy workload we are currently giving Korver at his age. 33 MPG isn't a ridiculous number, but he's not a spring chicken anymore. I'd much rather have him fresher for the playoffs if we have an option to add a player that could help make that happen.

Yes going to CLE is his most likely destination. I highly doubt he would command over something like a $5m contract, and probably less than that. So with our capspace and moving someone like Jenkins we should be able to afford him if it comes to that. With the Thabo injury, I'm not so sure we are deep enough. As I said a few days ago, I'm all for giving some more minutes to guys like Baze and Jenkins to let Base develop more and see what we've got in Jenkins. But if Bud isn't sold on Jenkins, that would be the reason to make a move like this. And another really big reason is that Ray would give us someone to really sub in for Korver that fills some of the same role that Kyle does. When Korver is on the floor our offensive rating is something like 15 points higher per possession than it is when he is on the bench. The shooting and spacing threat he provides is huge for everything else we try to do on offense. We don't currently have anyone that can give us a similar threat coming off the bench: Ray would give us that because he can still knock down those 3's and for 15-20 minutes a night, he should be able to do a lot of what Kyle does for us even at his advanced age. It would also help us ease up on Korver's minutes some. He's currently over 33 MPG, and at his age I'd be much happier if we could cut that down to the 29-30 range and keep him fresher until the playoffs. If Thabo wasn't injured I'm not sure we would be looking to make this move. But he is injured, and this entirely depends on Bud not believing in Jenkins; if that is the case, then yeah, picking up Allen would be a smart move. He would also be the only player on our roster with some NBA Finals experience. Don't underestimate that.

Agree with you on the giving up on him part, but the problem is with Payne still not getting off the bench, Scott is our only backup PF. If there were any way to land Thad Young, I would be all for that since he can backup at SF and PF, but we'd likely have to give up too many assetts - i.e.- future draft picks and at least one player.

I laughed at this probably more than I should have...

I think too many fans are suffering from a longterm case of Atlanta Fan Syndrome™ (henceforth known as AFS). Symptoms include waiting for the other shoe to drop in the midst of good times; expecting the worse at any moment; not allowing oneself to enjoy good times for fear that the boogeyman is right around the corner; and a general sense of impending doom at all times. The only known cure for AFS is an Atlanta franchise championship victory.

Yes, I am. But I also think you're getting a bit carried away with the "betting our season" thing. We have a huge lead in the standings, and DMC is day-to-day which means he should probably be back for Monday's game in N.O. But here is a big point: it doesn't really matter what we think about making a trade or not. It only matters what Bud thinks since it's his move to make or not make, right? He's earned my trust to believe in whatever decision he makes. How about you?

Coach Bud: Al Horford: