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Kb why do you never you shutup? Your always wrong...What happend to this improved team you were talking about? Just keep your mouth shut until you can quit being wrong every time. If I was Boris, I sure wouldn't want you praising me.. The difference is that howard is on a team with so much talent that he doesn't have a chance. Boris is on a chump team and still can't get decent minutes and stinks the place up when does....Does Boris have a jumpshot? Does he have a postup game? Can he shut someone down(Not from what it looked like last night) you might say he has some decent PG skills...but so does Brevin Knight and he's a backup. You see what compairing stats has gotten you doesn't it? Remember, JT was a good PG according to stats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=231108003 "It's bittersweet. I'm glad we won, but to me it's disrespect to single out us two out of five (starters)," Crawford said. "I think the writing's on the wall for me, obviously."

If those shots were open looks coming from an inside-out offense (Jerry Sloan style), I'd be fine. Too bad it looks like we have 2 Mookies out there, sans Defense! " HAHAHA gota love that. Two Mookies. Jackson shoots worse than Mookie. Honestly, he wasn't even a great shooter with open shots last year. 34% in three's isn't all that great. I'd trade anybody on the team right now for a rack of basketballs.

So what else is new? IF dumb Billy would have drafted Howard would could atleast play him and let him develop instead of having to play some CBA players and a role player rookie.

Diaw airballing a short jumper...He's got to be one of the 5 worse players in the league. He's shot more airballs in 5 games than most player will an entire season.

How so many people can be so enthused with a player that has contributed nothing I just can't seem to under stand...Did you see Bonzi bully him for that 3pt play? Or the offensive fouls? I know the guy is a rookie, but he's averaging about 1PPG in about 15MPG. You can't start a player with that limited production.

Derek Anderson isn't enough to improve this team by a large margin.

bad contracts.. Bobcats save the NBA? By Chad Ford NBA Insider We may be 360 days away from the Charlotte Bobcats first real game in the NBA. But for the 29 existing NBA teams, there is an intense interest, bordering on obsession, with the league's 30th franchise. At a time of year when teams are already dispatching armies of scouts in search of the next great draft prospect, the Bobcats' scouts aren't just hanging around college campuses and international arenas. Charlotte GM Bernie Bickerstaff and the rest of his scouts are coming to an arena near you. Their goal? Find the perfect player to pluck off another team's squad during the 2004 NBA Expansion Draft. The Expansion Draft, which will take place sometime between the end of the NBA Finals and the 2004 NBA Draft, allows the Bobcats to select players from existing NBA teams. While the league is still finalizing all the rules of the expansion draft (teams expect an official memo from the league to come sometime this month) many of the rules are already in the collective bargaining agreement. Insider has talked to league and team sources to get a handle on what is likely to take place on expansion draft night. Things are always subject to change and interpretation, but at this point the process is shaping up to be rather intriguing. To start with, teams will be allowed to protect eight players. If they have fewer than eight players under contract, they will have to leave at least one player unprotected. The prospect of losing a critical player in the expansion draft has some teams wringing their hands. Teams with a deep reserve of young players -- like the Grizzlies, Pacers and Bucks -- are in danger of losing a prospect they'd prefer to keep around. The Bobcats are allowed to select a maximum of one player from each team. They must select a minimum of 14 players overall and can take a maximum of 29. To many GMs, the expansion draft is a very rare opportunity. The Bobcats eventually are projected to have a salary cap of $29.7 million next season (two-thirds of an estimated $45 million cap), but they won't be bound by that number during the expansion draft. The Bobcats will be free to select as many contracts as they like. If new owner Bob Johnson wants to draft $50 million in salaries, the league will let him. Combine that with a little-known rule in the collective bargaining agreement that allows expansion teams to get salaries off their cap early by waiving players selected in the expansion draft before the first day of the regular season, and many GMs believe that a large, one-time loophole has been blown through the league's strict cap rules. For you hardcore fans out there, here's the rule: The Salary of any player selected by an Expansion Team in an expansion draft and terminated in accordance with the NBA waiver procedure before the first day of the Expansion Team's first Season shall not be included in the Expansion Team's Team Salary, except, to the extent such Salary is paid, for purposes of determining whether the Expansion Team has satisfied its Minimum Team Salary obligation for such Season. (Article VII, Section 4) There is no question teams will try to capitalize on this obscure provision. The Wizards, for example, could offer their first-round pick in the regular draft and $3 million (the maximum allowed by the collective bargaining agreement) to the Bobcats in exchange for Charlotte selecting someone like Christian Laettner in the expansion draft. The move would take Laettner's $6.2 million salary for next season off the books in Washington, giving the Wizards roughly $10 million in cap room for Ernie Grunfeld to use in free agency. The Bobcats then could waive Laettner and preserve all of their cap space for free agency. Is cap room really worth cash and a pick? "Absolutely," one Eastern Conference GM told Insider. "A pick, a player and $3 million in cash for $5- or $6 million or more in cap room? That's priceless. Ed Tapscott will be fielding a ton of offers the next few months." In essence, now that the regular season has begun, the Bobcats suddenly are holding all of the leverage. So far, executive vice president Ed Tapscott and Bickerstaff aren't showing their hand. There are numerous ways a team can go in an expansion draft. Most of it depends on what Johnson is willing to spend. The All-Star Approach If he's a Mark Cuban-type owner, they could select from a plethora of stars who are expected to be left unprotected. Most teams leave players with huge contracts unprotected thinking that an expansion team won't want to spend all of their cash at once. However, if Johnson felt the urge to blow $50 or $60 million from the get go and put a competitive team on the floor -- he'll have the opportunity. An Insider analysis of each team's roster, and the eight players they would likely protect, left players like this unprotected: Antawn Jamison, Bonzi Wells, Tim Thomas, Brian Grant, Eddie Jones, Penny Hardaway, James Posey, Raef LaFrentz, Marcus Camby, Grant Hill and Jerome James. Drafting an all-star team is the most unlikely scenario. Teams leave players like this unprotected because they believe that a new team wouldn't want the burdens of expensive, long-term contracts. Besides, the general feeling around the league is that Johnson is much more conservative with his money than guys like Mark Cuban and Paul Allen. They don't expect him to break the bank to field a competitive team in Charlotte. New GM Bernie Bickerstaff insinuated the same thing on Wednesday. "We want to build through the draft and go young," Bickerstaff said. "It's a marathon. We won't be pressured. We hope to get guys who will become big names. . .We want young, hungry competitive guys who want to prove what they can do in the NBA. We will give them the chance to show the world what they can do. " The Less is More Philosophy The opposite (and more likely) scenario, according to some league execs, is for the Bobcats to actually take no salaries back in return. How do they do that? While unrestricted free agents aren't eligible for the draft, restricted free agents are. However, the restricted free agents become unrestricted if the Bobcats draft them. While the Bobcats would still retain their Bird Rights to the player (the ability to exceed the salary cap to re-sign a player with three or more years in the league), they would not have the matching rights that most teams have with restricted free agents. Theoretically, the Bobcats could draft a team of: Chris Mihm, Jamison Brewer, Bobby Simmons, Jannero Pargo, Joel Przybilla, Trenton Hassell, Tamar Slay, Britton Johnsen, Robert Archibald, Josh Moore, Mike Wilks, James Lang, Richie Frahm and Steve Blake, waive all of them and pay virtually nothing. That approach gives the Bobcats their full $29 million (minus a $6.38 million in cap holds for the fourth pick in the draft and 10 other minimum roster spots) to work with in the free-agent market. For all of you Kobe to Charlotte fans out there, this is the scenario where the Bobcats could, theoretically, offer Kobe a max deal to bolt L.A. and head back to Charlotte where he was drafted seven season to go. However, the problem with that scenario is well known in places like Denver and Salt Lake. Top free agents usually balk at signing with teams that don't have a chance to compete. The chances of Kobe or any other top-flight free-agent signing on in Charlotte are slim. That's why another approach may be warranted. Let's Make a Deal What teams are hoping is that the Bobcats take the middle road. There are as many as eight teams that have a player the Bobcats might realistically consider taking if a team offers compensation in the form of a draft pick and cash in return. Here's a hypothetical scenario (see table below) of how things could pan out if the Bobcats decide that stockpiling first-round picks is the way to build the franchise. Mock Expansion Draft 1. Chucky Atkins 2. Christian Laettner 3. Bo Outlaw 4. Tony Battie 5. Jahidi White 6. Eddie Robinson 7. Cliff Robinson 8. Bruce Bowen 9. Jannero Pargo 10. Mo Williams 11. Tamar Slay 12. Britton Johnsen 13. Trenton Hassell 14. Chris Mihm The first eight players would all be part of larger deals that should, in each instance, land the Bobcats a future first-round pick and three million in cash. The total salaries the Bobcats would pick up would be $46.2 million in 2004, and $16.9 million in 2005. The Bobcats would receive $24 million in cash to offset the $46.2 million number. Because of the rules governing expansion teams, the Bobcats could then turn around and waive all eight players. Combine that with the last six players, all of whom have no guaranteed money due in 2004, and the Bobcats could walk away with eight extra first-round picks and all of their cap room for just a smidgen over $30 million. That's a pretty serious bargain. Would the Pistons, Wizards, Grizzlies, Celtics, Suns, Bulls, Warriors and Spurs be willing to send cash and picks the Bobcats' way? Probably. The move is a slam dunk for the Pistons, Wizards and Spurs. The Pistons are trying to get far enough under the cap to either re-sign Mehmet Okur or to make a major play in the free-agent market. If they could move Atkins, the Pistons are looking at $10 million in cap space next summer. Ditto for the Wizards. They cleared about $5.9 million by moving Jahidi White to the Suns on Wednesday. If they can get Laettner off the books as well, the team is looking at $10 to $11 million in room. The Spurs have the biggest incentive. San Antonio could theoretically clear around $15 million in cap room if they waived their free agents and got the Bobcats to take Bowen. That would give them enough to make a serious run at Kobe next summer. The other teams don't experience such dramatic effects, but trading a pick and cash for the cap room still makes sense. The Grizzlies, by losing Outlaw, could get around $6 million under the cap. The Warriors could get nearly $7 million under by convincing the Bobcats to take Robinson. The Suns can move out of luxury-tax land if the Bobcats would take White off their hands. The Celtics could get more luxury-tax breathing room to sign a free agent with their mid-level exception. And the Bulls would get more room re-sign their own free agents. This is just the tip of the iceberg. There will also be scenarios where a team might give the Bobcats a pick or cash not to select a player they had to leave unprotected. Anyway you slice it, for the next eight months the Bobcats are in an enviable position. With a clean cap, an escalating cap (two-thirds this season, three-fourths in 2005, a full cap in 2006) the potential to horde a massive amount of first-round picks, a good first-round pick this season and no restrictions on how high they can pick in 2005, the Bobcats have a luxury that none of the other 29 teams in the league have ever had -- the ability to build a team from scratch under the new rules of the collective bargaining agreement. Teams are still suffering from bad deals they made before the new CBA kicked in. Can the Bobcats learn from their mistakes and help out a few other franchises along the way? You'll have to wait seven months to find out." Does this mean we could send Hendu to the Bobcats and them waive him and the Hawks get the cap space? If this is true, The Bobcats will be expected to do alot of favors if you know what I mean.

I wonder what Nique thinks of Doc after Doc cut him from the Magic in 99.....

You just seem like you would be the way you tell these stories and stuff.

I said the team should rebuild....And it should...I also said Diaw's skilles seem to be limited to a role player and the team needs a star.

Gray, by any chance are you into poetry?

One of the best in a while...Mano can really play..

I think it's time for some young talent and a promising young coach." Stotts isn't THAT terrible. He just doesn't have players that want to play every night....Or players that take too many plays off.

"He didn't look like he was into the game," Warriors forward Cliff Robinson said afterward. "We've had some really good games against one another, [but] he wasn't as aggressive as he usually is." Abdur-Rahim didn't put too much significance on his performance. "It's my eighth year. I'm not really concerned about a bad game," he said. "I'm not looking at shots made and shots missed. If it's the same numbers and we win, it's not a big deal. As a team, we just played bad." He basically refuses to stepup. There is no point in keeping him. You guys continue to blame everyone for Reef being unagressive...If you have to force your supposed to be the leader to step up, he really isn't a leader at all. Players and coaches alike have questioned Reef from being a scorer on a bad team, to being predictable, to being unaggressive and laid back. These are the ones that compete againest him. Reef wears the "C" on his jersey, but he doesn't sound like someone who wants to compete to me. You blame coaches and players when he is unsucessful, but no matter what happens Reef clearly doesn't have passions. That's not what you want from your best player...Trade him...

What the crap is your problem with me?

Duncan's shooting 51%....Finley is shooting 36%

he should work on his ball handling and mid range game so that teams will not make efforts to push him outside....It's about improving and Reef seems to be the same player every year....The fact Reef gets so many double teams is more due to making him effective from the outside and not because he's overwelming on the inside....He's not as money in the post as some are making him out to be...That's what he does best, but he isn't better at it than alot of the other PF's...It's just they like to mix up their games while Reef can't really do that while being effective.

Two big 3's in a row....Same guy that put a dagger in the Hawks.

Well, he's averaging 10PPG and shooting under 40% I believe... http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_finley/index.html I'm not trying to bash the guy. Finley has been one of my favorite players to watch....But all those years of 41MPG when the Mavs were bad has taken it's toll.

Dirk has 23 points at the Half...Micheal Finley hasn't scored in 16 minutes...Finley is declining at a rapid pace. I read someone on here wanted him....bad idea.

I never said Reef was as good as a top 5 player. You said that. I said Reef is a better offensive talent then Garnett. I said Reef should be forced into being the focal point on offense. I said that Reef has beaten the top 5 guys in one on one matchups on the statistical side of things. You filled in the rest. " What does Reef do better than KG? Does he have a better jumpshot? Nope Can Reef play Point Forward? Nope? Reef is close to one dimentional....The Warriors might have played him the best the last two years...And you want to know why? Eric Musselman...he knows Reef's weakness and he knows is ineffective overall if you force him to where he isn't confortable.....Did you watch KG in the playoffs last year againest the Lakers? Do you honestly believe Reef could do what KG did in the playoffs? Reef has never played an important game in his career and he still chokes most of the time when the game is on the line. I said that Reef has beaten the top 5 guys in one on one matchups on the statistical side of things. " You think Brand/Walker and Jamison haven't? I say...so? But Reef doesn't have the ability to get it done every night....Heck, JT has had nights were he got the best of Payton, does that make him as good on offense? If Reef had an outside game or handles he would be able to score in other ways to open things up. But, it's known that if you force Reef to handle the ball or shoot from the outside you are going to win the battle most of the time. Reef has such a limited game and players and coaches have already said he's predictable. And he is, he's easy to stop when you need to really stop him. KG is a MVP canidate and Reef is a player that produces in meaningless games. KG is more athletic, is a better shooter, passer and QB is better in the post and everywhere else. To suggest otherwise is laughable. Stats don't show intangiables either...Reef can't do anything better than KG and you really have no way to back it up. And you say KG has a better supporting cast? I dissagree... Is Wally really any better than Dog? Is Hudson any better than JT? is Rasho better than Theo? Where was this great supporting cast you talk about?

Am I heavier now than the picture on the front page... yep. Graduate school will do that to a fella. But, I wouldn't use the word "fat". However you want to take the comment.... But still, I've seen bigger. Your not small or normal like it appears on the front picture, but being big doesn't mean you can fight anyways...I've seen plenty of bigger guys go down. I'm not small myself....Am I 6'6? No, but I'm not small either.... None of it changes the fact that your a biased groupie. And your basketball mind is little clouded by favoritism. When you think Reef's as good as a top 5 player(He clearly isn't to everyone else) I'd say your a biased idiot.

I got fatter in my pictures, eh? I don't know how to even respond" From the front page to the other photos I'd say yes. I'd didn't look at the photo album at first. "Judging by my face? My face would make me homosexual? Thank you." Well you sure do favor a fudge packer in the front picture atleast.

Oh, you thought that calling me homosexual would actually bother me?! Ha. Oh, my fault." Judging by your face, if the shoe fits...you might aswell wear it.... "Oh, the tweezers line! That's funny. I haven't heard that since... well... since.... second grade. It's so awesome that you can bring immature humor to the conversation." It's probably reality. Oh I decided to look at your photo album...Looks like you got fatter in your album pictures.