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This is exactly what I was trying to say. He's proven he can shoot a high % on high volume in other areas so there's no reason to think he wouldn't do the same if he increased his volume on c/s. If you put prime Ben Simmons next to him as the primary PG and ran screens for Trae, he would be considered an elite shooter.
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I went back and looked because this has frustrated me in recent years. Since the JC draft in 2017: Collins: Rookie - 74 games, 1785 Min, 24min/gm / 2nd year - 61 games, 1829 min, 30min/gm Trae: Rookie - 81 games, 2503 min, 31min/gm / 2nd yr - 65 games, 2120 min, 35min/gm Huerter: Rookie - 74 games, 2048 min, 27min/gm / 2nd yr - 56 games, 1760 min, 31min/gm Spellman: Rookie - 46 games, 805 min, 17.5min/gm / 2nd yr - GONE Hunter: Rookie - 63 games, 2018 min, 32min/gm / 2nd yr - 23 games (injuries), 678 min Reddish: Rookie - 58 games, 1551 min, 27min/gm / 2nd yr - 26 games, 750 min OO: Rookie - 50 games, 601 min, 12min/gm / 2nd yr - 48 games, 992 min, 21min/gm Mays: Rookie - 33 games, 226 min, 8.2min/gm / 2nd yr - 28 games, 220 min, 8min/gm JJ: Rookie - 22 games, 120 min, 5.5min/gm / 2nd yr - 70 games, 1042 min, 14.9min/gm Sharife: - Rookie - 13 games, 39 min, 3.0min/gm / 2nd yr - GONE AJ: Rookie - 72 games, 1401 min, 19.5min/gm / 2nd yr - 18 games, 132 min, 7.3min/gm Kobe: Rookie - 8 games, 75 min, 9.4min/gm Lundy: Rookie - 9 game, 52 min, 5.8min/gm So JC, Trae, Hunter, and Reddish all played a min of 1,500 minutes as rookies. No one else other than AJ comes close. A lot can be attributed to injuries and / or lower draft picks that weren't NBA ready. It's frustrating seeing other franchises like the Heat play their young players and see them develop while our seemingly talented players either sit on the bench or play in CP.
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This season (only 8 games), the Hawks are 9 points better defensively in games Trae misses. 115 pt/gm allowed without Trae vs 124 pt/gm with Trae. So the Net is +1 with Trae (ie the pt diff is -3 without Trae and -2 with Trae). Not sure how it equates per100 poss as I didn't look at that. For me the question is and always has been: Which is better for the organization: A. Trae plus whatever return DJM gets you; or B. DJM plus whatever return Trae gets you. My answer to those options is A is best because I think Trae's offense is more superior to DJM offensively than DJM's defense is superior to Trae's. I also think the difference there is greater than the difference between the returns for each player (Trae would warrant a higher return but not so much that it blows the return for DJM out of the water). So for me, I don't want to give up the best offensive player in franchise history and a legit top 10-15 offensive player in the current NBA. I'd rather keep trying to build defense that fits around Trae. I get it. It hasn't worked yet, but I also don't think they've had a great plan yet. Or at least they haven't implemented the plan well yet.
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Bad teams do bad team crap. The two games before this were just fodder for the haters to (gleefully) say, "See! The team is better without Trae! Trade him!!" Yawn 18 assists last night. Second fewest of the season. 3 of the 4 lowest assist games on the season were without Trae. Tell me again how the TEAM is better without him? How they play more as a team without Trae? Please. Are they better defensively without Trae? In some ways, sure. But overall? They are still a bad defensive team. And without Trae on offense they avg 112 pts/gm, a full 10 pts less than when Trae plays.
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You are the one that brought up Aaron. Not sure why. Trae has proven that he can make a high % of shots on increased volume. What is it about Trae's game that makes you think he can't? I'm genuinely asking because for most of this thread you've had your head in the sand on this topic.
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The problem woth that of course is that AJ and Kobe were 14th and 15th rather than 9th and 10th. We apparently came onto the season with some combination of the Matthews Duo, Bruno, Forrest, and Mills as the 9-13 roster spots. That's untenable.
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Despite the "mis-fitting" roster, it's not a stretch at all, imo, to think this team could be over .500 IF they simply had NBA quality depth OR had been extraordinarily lucky with the injuries. You can't go into an NBA season with 8 legit NBA players and expect to have success unless you just get super lucky injury wise. Looking at the standings now, I could see them in that 5-8 logjam IF they either had adequate depth OR had been healthy all year. Of course, no team is healthy all year which certainly begs the question what they heck Landry, Kyle, and Ressy were thinking coming into the season with 8 quality NBA players.
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But he only makes 0.8 per game so clearly he's not a good catch and shoot 3pt shooter.
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Exactly. And that's the reason that Trae has few attempts. But he's been successful at those attempts and that, combined with his other shooting numbers, suggests he'd have no problem increasing his attempts and maintaining his efficiency. Any way you slice it, using FGM for c/s 3pts as some barometer for whether Trae is a good shooter is nonsensical.
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In the first post of yours that I responded to, you specifically said about Trae, "he is not a good catch and shoot 3pt shooter." What you don't seem to comprehend is that low volume is not always the same as not good at it. Why is he low volume? That's the question. Is it because, as you claim, he's incapable of doing it? The data suggests that's false since he's a high % shooter in general from 3pt. And more specifically, he's high % on high volume. So it makes sense, or should to most logical people, that if Trae is high % on high volume from 3pt in general AND he's high % on low volume on c/s 3pt, then it's certainly within the realm of reasonableness that he can also be high % on higher volume on c/s 3pt. So then we ask, what's the most likely scenario? He doesn't have high volume because he's incapable of it? OR, what's pretty obvious to logical people that actually watch the Hawks, is it because Trae has the ball in his hands most of the time and on the few occasions when he's off ball, the Hawks don't run sets for him to catch and shoot routinely? Watching the games suggests that's true. I'll say it again.....low volume DOES NOT equate to BAD SHOOTER.
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Trae made 38% on 9.5 attempts. He's not a volume shooter from 3pt. Just stop with that nonsense. Volume is only able to make 3 if you take 9 or 10. He's literally a 40% catch and shoot player for his career. That's on some 600+ attempts. And from 3pt overall he's a career 35% on high volume. But even then his 3 highest % years were his 3 highest volume years. Trae has proven that he sustains a high % on high volume. There's no reason to think he wouldn't do the same on catch and shoot. Your point here is 100% invalid.
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This is complete nonsense. If you aren't going to be serious there's no reason having this discussion. Just admit you are wrong and move on. Or don't. I don't care. Nate Hinton has attempted 30 3pt FG in his career. Trae has attempted nearly 3,000. And Trae has multiple seasons shooting 36%, 37%, and 38% on high volume from 3pt. To say that because he doesn't attempt many per game he isn't a good shooter when the data shows the exact opposite is nonsense. You aren't trying to have a serious discussion here. Trae's numbers show that with more attempts he absolutely sustains his high %. Citing FGM as some evidence that he isn't capable is just idiotic.
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Bogi FGM is 2.7 on 7.2 FGA for 37.6% Trae FGM is 0.8 on 2.2 FGA for 38.7% Saying he's not good at Catch and Shoot is a damn lie. Saying he doesn't do it often is true, but he's a very good shooter. For his career he's 251-621 for 40.4%. Saying that isn't a good shooter is, again, a damn lie.
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Trae is not a good catch and shoot guy? Really? That's....something.
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Trae Young, The Referees and the difference the last 2 games
REHawksFan replied to thecampster's topic in Homecourt
Trae doesn't get calls because he acts like an Alpha on the court. Dre doesn't get calls because he acts like a beta on the court. Sounds like you don't know how you want the players to act. Of course, it wouldn't matter if the refs would just call a foul a foul instead of, as you are suggesting, having to have the players act a certain kind of way to get rewarded with a foul call. -
Trae Young, The Referees and the difference the last 2 games
REHawksFan replied to thecampster's topic in Homecourt
It's sickening. But it's also Atlanta. We eat our own around here, sadly. -
Trae Young, The Referees and the difference the last 2 games
REHawksFan replied to thecampster's topic in Homecourt
With the caveat that I saw the Orlando game but missed last night, I would generally disagree with the thought that the refs don't like Trae. I think Trae has a reputation of hunting for fouls and working the refs to call them. For some refs, that's fine. For others, I think their natural tendency is to develop a thick skin and call fewer fouls just being contrarian. But yeah, it's pretty obvious some refs feel a certain kind of way about Trae. With that said, my guess is this thread will turn into a bunch of criticisms against Trae, which imo, is unwarranted. -
Competitive in the sense that they never gave up and battled back from down 15 in the 2nd quarter. Ultimately it was two bad teams that each played poorly enough to keep the other in it. Then down the stretch the Raptors were the least sucky and won the game.
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I don't disagree at all. I just have little to no faith in the Hawks management
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There's what, 7 centers in this draft? Hawks will draft a wing. Book it. LOL
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These last 3 games have just been turrible.
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He looks like a slower, less effective Bruno. His game has fallen off a cliff.
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I'm not sure that bald dude actually knows he's a ref. He just stands there looking stupid and then randomly Ts up dudes.
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Whine fest
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Saw one of those national "eggsperts" correctly point out today that the Hawks only have 8 NBA players on their roster. Interestingly, they're playing their 56th game of the season tonight and the Hawks have had those 8 NBA players available for 15 games. They are 8-7 in those games. It's criminal having a 15 man roster and only 8 are considered NBA quality players.
