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Exodus, I can't say I disagree with the logjam that we have, but if we alleviated Chill and ???, then I'd take a chance on Yi any day. The scout was talking about one game. There are views of Yi out there (I'm too lazy to look) that said that he didn't have a problem with other big bodies. It's all relative because WE haven't seen him up close and personal. However, I wouldn't not be mad at getting him and Crit.

There are videos of Yi dribbling and taking outside shots. He's rather fluid with this shot and blocking it would be hell for a C having to leave the paint. He also has video on youtube where he drives to the basket rather forcibly. I would be more than happy with Yi and Crit.

I can't tell how you really feel about that Yeti.

I don't know about the Aldridge analogy, but I agree on most parts. However, if we can pry Jack from Portland, draft Yi and whatever else BK is going to do, I'd be more than happy with that. Portlands not giving Aldridge up unless they know something we dont', or Oden pulls a "get Conley or else" Eli Manning draft-hostage thing!

If BK did this, he should be fired on the spot with no questions asked, Bernie Mullin should give up his stake of ownership, and we should revisit the grassy knoll theory! Noah is not worthy of a top 3 pick and it's a stretch at 11. He regressed or was exposted this year. Thank goodness he stayed in school or we'd have drafted him last year knowing BK.

IMHO, the Blazers would be nuts to deal Aldridge when they will have plenty of takers for Randolph (who we don't need in Atlanta). I would love the following scenarios: 1. Yi and Crittenton - Yi can and will score. He'll have to work on rebounding, but if you've seen his videos and workouts, the thing that stands out is his shooting and off the dribble drives to the basket (AMAZING). Crit will be the real deal in a year or two.....I can deal with the roughness first. 2. Trade for Jack/Aldridge (I have doubts) - Would it take our #3/11 and Chill? If we have the opportunity we have to explore it. AGAIN, the ace in the hole is that #11 pick. 3. Wright and Crittenton? - My least favorite unless we unload Chill. Regardless of whether we think we can get Jack/Aldridge, we have to alleviate the logjam. Chill makes the most sense as Marvin still showed flashes of immense talent. Getting him to consistently use that talent is our issue.

I like Yi and Crit too. Wouldn't it just be best if we alleviate the logjam at forward, obtain a C through a trade and call it an offseason.

I like Conley, but not at #3. We're going to get blasted by every one and their mother if we don't take him at 3. Therefore, I think BK MUST acquire a PG in any trade and the best case scenario is the Portland deal. (I still don't think they care about reuniting Conley and Oden). We have so many options that most of the beneficial trade scenarios haven't even come into play yet. The workouts and love fest of players by other GM's will factor into anything we do. Our ace in the hole is the #11 pick. No one is mentioning it, but I'd rather move the #11 pick for a PG by moving Chill or (I hate to say - Marvin) and taking the BPA with #3. Problem is..... who is the BPA for the Hawks at #3?

Portland played the draft perfectly last year. Something BK did not do. IF and that's a big IF, they want Conley that badly we hold cards, but they have the aces. They're better off unloading Randolph on SOMEONE and keeping Aldridge/Oden as a tandem. I don't see them clamoring for Conley the way some people are.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he doesn't exactly exude domination right? I looked at him a few years ago, but it seems he hasn't progressed to the level of stardom just yet. 500 draft pullouts may do that for you.

I'm going to fifth this.....as in I'll need a fifth of Vodka if we draft Noah. He is not even an impressive player at all.

If BK plays poker the way he drafts, he's down a helluva lot of money! There are numerous options......I'm hoping we don't screw this up!

If BK plays this draft like he did last year, we're in big trouble. My hope is that he burns up those phone lines with GM's in love with Yi (Who I think is going to be a good player) or another player high on everyone's POTENTIAL superstar list. Wouldn't it be nice to get Portland to deal us LaMarcus? SUHWEET!

My problem is...if we were thinking about matchup problems, wouldn't Roy/JJ/Smoove/Marv...present a helluva lot more problems than Lue/Claxton/AJ? I understand that we needed a rebounder and defensive presence, but Shelden is horrific at best. I don't want to lament our loss, but we could have at least played the draft a helluva lot better than we did.

As crappy as it is to beat a dead horse, this one does need some Barbaro type ending. As much as Marvin is bashed here, Sheldon should be thrown under the bus and then some! I'm not even gonna get into the Roy thing, but it's obvious. Just obvious, that BK blew another one.

I'm one of Marvin's biggest fans, but I've also been worried about consistency. For some reason on this board he's bashed a lot. The thing about Marvin is that when he plays with confidence, he's always capable of 20. The problem is WHEN. I love seeing him and Smoove mature in front of us. I envisioned JJ, Smoove, and Marv always being high scorers for us, but we need the young guys to stay consistent.

Honestly speaking, this team is playing hard and that's mostly all I ever asked. However, we are flawed and lucky to be in the East. That's why we have a fighting chance. BK still has me scratching my head, and Woody is up and down. Making it is one thing, sustaining a winning tradition is another.

I hate to even go back to the draft. Really I do, but there were several people who were hell bent on drafting Roy/Foye. I AM ONE. Although I fell into the majority and said I'd give Shelden a chance...you have to hate seeing stuff like this: "The future ROY was PON -- Player of the Night -- with 27 points on 11-for-15 shooting along with seven dimes. And, oh yes, a nice Portland win over Utah, 103-100. ---ESPN. The thought of Roy with JJ, Smoove, Marv, Childress.....Duplication would have been much easier to stomach. First CP, now BR? (Although I'm a Marvin fan). Sigh...just open thought.

Quote: Doc and others, Outside of Joe and Josh (whom I did highlight as THE reasons we won in Orlando) I don't see starting caliber players on this team. So when I say there is a lack of talent, that's what I'm talking about. No doubt that Marvin could blossom...it's really up to him, which I stated. He has the NBA body, but does he have the NBA instinct. It was clear that he did not have any aggression in this game, but I saw it against lesser comp in the summer leagues. Being Dion Glover is not going to cut it for Williams. I didn't get to see Speedy play, of course, so can't really judge him here. Childress could be a starting caliber player if there were a Nash-like PG playing with him. Otherwise, he's a Shane Battier type player that needs others to find him to score. Who else is there that makes up this team full of talent? I may have missed it, but Johnson and Smith are it as of today. Marvin maybe later, Childress if someone comes along that plays like Kidd/Nash. That's not a team loaded with talent. That's a team that will bump along, winning when Johnson and/or Smith plays a good game. Fortunately, Joe plays that game a lot, but teams will continue to send doubles and triples at him, especially in the fourth, and if he's all that can be counted on, then the team won't be a consistent winner. Man, this is almost as good as the return of Superman....or not Jay. Good to see you. I have to agree....I think if Marvin had the aggression necessary, we're debating the one-two punch of Marv/JJ instead of JJ only. I was one of the few who ripped BK for at least picking Shelden at #5. He's another piece that doesn't quite get you what you need, but I hold out hope that he improves and I'm not bashing him....but astute picking has not been BK's strengths. Where we were picking...we should have done more, but I'll leave that alone.

[quote I would take a healthy Smitty in his prime over similiar Johnson any day of the week. Twice on Sunday. Smitty had a great game overall....but better than JJ? I'd venture to say that JJ's game dwarfs Smitty's. Smitty had to be respected, but on this team defenses gear towards stopping JJ and he still gets his. There is no way Smitty compares to JJ (Just my humble opine)

Quote: Quote: our best player since Dominique Dikembe, Steve Smith and Mookie would disagree with you. And be right. Why is that? I think he is our best player since Nique.

I don't too much care about Millsap right now. I do care that for a lot of reasons some of us didn't want Shelden. He simply wasn't a number 5 pick and BK made a reach pick at that number. (Aside from BK telling the world he'd draft him) I'm not saying he won't ever be serviceable, but for all the crap that Marvin is taking for being a number 2 pick, Shelden can surely be blasted for being a less than stellar pick at 5. Watching the game with Shelden in it is painful on most nights. I have not seen any signs of the "landlord" controling anything. He was supposed to be the most ready player in the draft and he's not nearly a finished product. And if he is......we'd better worry about that more than Marvin.

Fair enough. I never called Shelden a bust and I hope that he does exactly what he is doing probably more. For as much as I hate the pick, I do think he can be solid. (And I do understand that we had needs).

YOu can call it bellyaching or whatever you want to call it, but what constitutes impact? Rebounding? I give you that, but not much more. You're welcome to your opinion and I am mine and I still don't think he was worth the fifth pick. I'll bet the guys picked above him will have more impact long term as will some of the guys after him.

Well, I may be in the minority, but I'm still not a Shelden fan. While I can appreciate his rebounding, I think when you draft someone in the top 5 of any draft, they should be making more of an impact. I think Solomon Jones was the find of our draft. That took scouting and research and someone did a good job there. Shelden...the jury will always be out there for me. I just don't think we played the draft right...