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WOW, I join you two in that assessment. I'm just not a Shelden fan...and Roy or Foye would have been sweet!

A thread was started earlier talking about great rookie PG's. It happens. If the same draft were today, I would be just as happy with Marvin. I'm glad people cry about Paul, because when Marvin is doing well I hope they don't jump back on the bandwagon.

Diesel, I equate your hate of Marvin to my hate of Shelden. But I can say, Marvin is going to be the real deal. That's the way I feel. He improved from a deer-in-the-headlights looking rookie to a functional player who'll be better than Shelden any day of the week. And in a few more years, we won't have to hear about how we should have taken Paul! He has got the prettiest swing on the team. Putting the ball in play is what he'll do this year!

Lascar...I really like that picture. I hope in a couple or years Marvin can 'quiet' the fans about Paul. It's a moot point now.

What some people don't seem to understand is that the defensive end would be more beneficial to us than anything else. We have guys who can score. If we trade AL and get Foster, we would have depth and rebounding with the addition of Shelden (not my favorite-but I support him), this is necessary. Hawksquawkers have proven more knowledgeable about what Foster brings than not. That is a first on the squawk!

Converting to Judaism is probably less painful than being transformed into a Hawks fan!! Looking back on it, I've been a fan since I knew what a basketball and Tree Rollins was. And I'm still a Hawks fan!! The medication and therapy are working fine I'd say!

Well, I wouldn't call all of us idiots, but I didn't like BK's picks this year at all. I support BK. I love the talent he's assembled, but he shouldn't have added Shelden to the mix at number 5. Call me what you will, I try to stay neutral because a computer won't make you a tough guy, but in this instance, I still say Foye/Roy would have been the better pick. It's an opinion just like yours. I'll refrain from computer tough-guy talk for now.

Well, I'm in the minority like Pete....I may not respond as vehemently, but I've thought that the Shelden pick was just awful for what position. I've seen people say they'd be happy with 8 pts and 7 rebounds plus a block a night. What? Marvin got killed for better lines than that and he was only 19! I hope Shelden proves Pete and I wrong, but I will always equate that pick with the Falcons choosing TJ Duckett when they've paid Dunn to be your workhorse. I just don't like the pick at all.

Boy do we have split factions on this board. I'm in the "WE-never-should-have-drafted" Shelden camp. I just don't like where we got him. I don't care what he does in Summer Leagues or otherwise, we played the draft worst than everyone save Isiah Thomas and even he may have gotten a steal!

Well, I'm pledging allegiance to the flag....one nation..under...OH almost forgot the topic. I'm in the "We shouldn't have picked Shelden" fan club. I'd love to be the original member. So if Diesel can make a million Marvin trade threads...TexasPete can! (I think Marvin will be the man by the way!).

Marvin said himself he needed to work on his aggressiveness which is what he's doing in the Summer League. He is a good shooter and will improve that too with more work. I think his game is well rounded in all facets. I can't really say right now who I'd compare him too, but I've heard Antwawn Jamison. Don't know if I like that one.

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Yeti. I do think that Summer Leagues or not, Shelden should look better than he has albeit two games or not. To the point, Marvin was 19 and one year removed from college not four. I'll give Shelden the benefit of the doubt, but he still should be showing better against his competition level. If nothing else, the rebounding should show. I don't care about what he scores, I do care about what we brought him in to do. And to most people he was the most ready to play. I don't like the pick and Roy/Foye still would have been the better choice, but I'll deal with it.

Well, I wouldn't go to the exact extreme that TexasPete is, but I was in the wagon that hated Shelden - PERIOD! The pick was awful and that's just my opinion. I'm not basing anything on his play in college...He dominated blah, blah blah, he was outplayed by blah, blah, blah. What I'm trying to do is find a ray of hope in him because I do feel like he'll be a role player his career. I think he'll improve, but I don't like his stat line, Summer League or not. When you don't like a player that doesn't mean you're not a fan. I bleed the Hawks so I support Shelden, but I am objective unlike some people!

Can't tell that to some of us...(He's my second favorite player behind Smoove and Johnson.) - That would make three? Oh well, It won't matter to some people until the games matter.

I don't wanna beat the kid to death. It's the Summer Leagues but if his forte' per se is rebounding, enforcement, picture me unimpressed! He exhibits the same foul tendacies he had at Duke. I think he'll improve though.

WOW, I don't care if it's summer league games or not, that line is good in any league. Great point about what the coaches expect of him NOW and what they wanted him to do before. We were talking about a 19 year old who showed these flashes, but wasn't consistent with it! I'm so excited and happy for him. If we get the right kind of rotation and comfort zone for him in the regular season, it's going to be fun watching him, Smoove, Johnson, Salim...WOW. I'm excited!

Yep, it's only Summer League, but it's good to hear other fans know talent when they see it!

Although I hate the Shelden pick and I've been downing Pepto-Bismol ever since Stern announced the obvious pick, I'm ready to support him as a Hawk. That being said, I do not focus on Summer League games all that much, but it still is a vehicle for many signs. Last year my almost favorite player - Marvin, looked lost as hell. And he did throughout the first quarter of the season. As time went on, he showed the talent and this year it's a matter of maturing just like Josh Smith did. Shelden, probably will look like crap on several occasions. It's just disconcerting that he's supposed to be ready - PERIOD. It's just the summer leagues, I know...I'm willing to bet he has better games leading up to preseason and the season. I honestly think Roy and Foye are going to be what I envisioned....but Shelden can be what BK and Hawksquawkers think he can be!

The only concern that I have is that it seems that both teams have left compensation options to BK. We couldn't say what that is, but with BK being in the drivers seat, I would think that he knows the other teams won't have many great options out there other than AL. I wouldn't want some unbeknownst GM to get the idea he could give either team a better option than AL. I trust BK on this...fan anticipation sucks though!

At least BK's more up in the air with this than telegraphing his draft pick!

Smart post...SL doesn't mean squat. When the bell rings Marvin will be in the lineup. Woody's going to juggle his lineup anyway for the first 25 games or so.

I agree Swole...Woody basically said that Marvin is going to be given the autonomy to do 'his thing.' I don't know if it means Shelden will/won't start, but I'm betting that Marvin is in the starting line-up at least at first.

Don't worry....where there's a half chance of negative to find from this directly-from-the-coaches mouth take the shackles off Marvin article, Diesel is lurking..and he's coming.......

This is why I didn't understand the stupidity of trade talk involving Marvin. Can someone tell me what game it was when he exploded for like 20 points in the quarter and all the scouts and NBA people were like...did you just see that? They were simply in awe! He has the ability and I'm glad Mike recognizes it! Makes it hard on the haters....LOL! Diesel...give us a trade proposal!

The gas cans are at the ready Dr......