Mikey

Cligan is way closer to gobert-lite than Edey is and its not even close

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-aggregate-mock-draft-zac-risacher-nikola-topic-cody-williams-reed-sheppard-rising/ Some less than endearing quotes for executives for Edey in here

This! Onyeka struggles on defense are far overblown in mine opinion. He struggled in the beginning adjusting the the scheme change but over time he's gotten much better. The hawks defensive issues aren't even at center imo (though I agree clint regression hasn't helped). Their team defense from their guards and wings this year has been awful. Rotations and help defense has been so bad this season. When Onyeka and Jalen play together they are good the problem was we didn't get to see a ton of those minutes. Onykea versatility opens up so much for this team on both ends. Find the forward to pair with those two (probably ends up being Flip)

Need that boy in the lab with Korver

You don't think his form is an issue though? In HS he was a good shooter but it hasn't translated since. He's got a weird/low base imo that makes me struggle to think he'll be a great shooter as he was in hs. I think he is better than he has shown in G league though.

Matas is very very good and should sit a top the hawks board but he is one of the best WHAT? His shooting is awful

doesnt matter if it works in the nba. It is proven it does not work for this iteration of the hawks

Quin is signing his death sentence if he tries to keep Dejounte and Trae together

Clingan and castle are two guys that are just wow on defense. Fun watches on that end of the floor

I always laugh when people get on here and say our defense without Trae is better. Its only looked good cause we have played injured rattled teams. Every healthy team we have played has torched us

An all star big had a good game against Onyeka. Same big basically had 20/20 on Clint LOL. Good players will get theres regardless. Onyeka is good. Lineups with him and Jalen have the best net rating on the team. Find the compliment (like Flip in the draft). Hawks starting Onyeak isn't a problem when you get a backup who can play some more minutes in specific matchups.

I think he will be the pseudo backup PG next year while playing a fair share of his minutes next to Trae

I'd move Kobe into the guard group. Wing room probably changes a lot in summer if I had to guess. Does Bey get paid from someone else? Imagine Griffin is on way out. Definitely need to use a pick on big though

Is he bogi bad no. But he is definitely on the negative side IMO. At his age too its not great the lapses he has as a team defender. The flip side of this is that Skyhawks have a great defensive structure he could learn and improve on (but 23 in g league would get interesting)

Yeah he's been a nice surprise in CBB this year. Excited to watch him in the tourney. He absolutely fits Quin system I just don't know if we can afford another "bad" defender. If they move off some guys though he can slot in

Also Vuc has career averages of 17/11 on the hawks all time. He torches them regardless who is center. Jarret Allen just had 18 and 19 REBOUNDS on Clint Capela. You guys care too much about height and individual stats.

I don't care if my center is the one grabbing the rebounds vs the entire team lol. You also listed Jabari Smith who isn't his matchup lmao. Doesn't matter who rebounds the ball as long as the Hawks are the one getting it. The team's net rating with him is better than and they played some of their best ball and competed with the best teams when he started. Get a backup center in FA or Draft to play minutes in bigger matchups or a 4 to compliment O and Jalen.

Knecht is an interesting eval. The dude comps really similar to Bogi imo for good and bad. If his defense was passable I think he would be a top 10-15 lock but he's probably gonna be the guy that slides then a team like the Heat take him and everybody goes "How did this guy fall". If hawks move off of bogi or someone I wouldn't mind him at all.

Cody is a tough assessment for me in this draft and his fit with the hawks. I don't really buy his handle and he doesn't have elite athleticism. Feel like he is getting a bump from who is brother is ngl. I still rate him highly overall but I think the hawks don't a guy who at this point only projects as a scorer as the 3. Think we need more versatility on both ends of the court at that spot. Holland defensively is so good that he has to be top of the wing group imo and I buy his jumper long term. Funny enough, I absolutely LOVE castle. I think he is a clear cut top guy in this draft. He is also an absolutely perfect fit at the 2 next to Trae. Only reason I didn't list him is because I know how much Quin loves and views Kobe I would envision he is starting at the 2 next year so it felt like a double dip.

To separate from the Edey specific discussion made a draft specific thread. Not sure if there was an existing one already but we might want to split the two convos. This for Edey specific discourse other for all things draft

I'll start. Assuming the kings pick conveys I think the draft philosophy should be pretty simple. Add 1 wing and Add 1 big: Wings I have my eye on: Holland, Risacher, Furphy, Matas, Cody Williams in that order. Bigs I have my eye on: Sarr, Ware, Flip, Missi, Holmes in that order

Wanted to create a thread separate from the Zach Edey thread for all things draft, unless there is one already. Who do you guys want the Hawks to target? Who are you guys watching in college.

Yup been a problem all year tbh. Quin rides his guys a lot and when your rotation at the start of the season was mainly 8 guys I think it starts to pile up quick.

Yeah his injury couldn't have happened at a worse time smh. Think they were really gonna come out of the break and continue to start him

You are underselling what Onyeka did as a starter lol. The most recent stint when clint was out he showed off the entire toolset