Hatertots Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Here's the win scores by game for some Hawks of note through the first seven preseason games. So far, it seems that JJ's productivity has been greater than I would've guessed while Marvin has been a little less productive than I'd hoped. The Joshes and Horford look solid. And poor, poor Shelden. Smith- 16, 10, 6.5, 1.5, 4, 2.5, 13.5 Marvin- 6, 4.5, 6, 10.5, 5, 4.5, 10.5 Chill- 6, 12, 5.5, --, --, 12, 14.5 Horford- 5.5, 8, 10, 9, 11, 19, 10.5 JJ- 10, 13.5, 15, 0, 5.5, --, 9.5 Shelden- -1.5, 1, -1.5, 1, 3.5, --, 4.5 Acie- 2.5, -3, 5.5, --, --, -1.5, -- Zaza- -2, 1.5, 1, 5.5, 10.5, -2, -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Not familiar with this one. It looks interesting, could you explain it? Or point me in the right direction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatertots Posted October 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Wages of Wins Journal Using Win Score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Quote: Wages of Wins Journal Using Win Score A lot of reading but good info. Thanx. Did you correlate your posted stats by position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 One other note. I do not think this guy knows a lot about the Hawks or maybe even basketball in general. He mentions Marvin and Smoove being pushed out of the power forward position by Horford twice. Marvin was not our primary or secondary PF last year; how is he getting pushed out of a position he rarely played? Secondly, he never mentions Horford possibly pushing ZaZa out of the center position; even though he used Horford as a center (better win score stat at center than Oden) in college to project what he should do in the NBA. I like stats a lot; and this one is very interesting. Having worked with them as well, I also think there is no perfect formula. In the end they are used to give us the chance of a more informed best guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Quote: So far, it seems that JJ's productivity has been greater than I would've guessed while Marvin has been a little less productive than I'd hoped. The Joshes and Horford look solid. Smith- 16, 10, 6.5, 1.5, 4, 2.5, 13.5 Marvin- 6, 4.5, 6, 10.5, 5, 4.5, 10.5 Chill- 6, 12, 5.5, --, --, 12, 14.5 Horford- 5.5, 8, 10, 9, 11, 19, 10.5 JJ- 10, 13.5, 15, 0, 5.5, --, 9.5 Considering his scoring average, Marvin's score is a little lower than I would have thought also. But of all the players you listed, the above five are the only ones who have at least two games with a Dbl figure win score. If this was NBA Jam, these five would start and I would not play a PG. But since this is the real deal, we have to start a PG; and one or two of these best five have to get major minutes off the bench. I really do think Horford is going to push ZaZa for minutes at the center spot; and get the rest when Marvin or Smoove need a little rest or get into foul trouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatertots Posted October 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Factoring in minutes played, we can take a look at win score per minute to evaluate production per minute played rather than total production: Horford- .346 Childress- .309 JJ- .289 Smith- .266 Marvin- .251 Zaza- .124 Shelden- .068 D. Howard- .376 Now Marvin looks nearly as good as the Joshes and JJ, which is what I originally expected to see based on how well he's played this preseason. What really stood out to me is how outstanding Horford has played. On a per minute basis, he's nearly as productive as Dwight so far, much more productive than I could've dreamed on draft night. For those of you who've never used/heard of Win Score, it's calculated using the following formula: PTS + REB +STL +1/2BLK +1/2AST -FGA -1/2FTA -TO -1/2PF Basically, it gives credit for every positive contribution a player makes for a team, made shots, rebounds, etc., and penalizes players for negative contributions, such as missed shots and turn overs. His blog is overall pretty interesting. His writeup about the Hawks is worth a read, and his article about the legend of Kobe Bryant upset some of the Kobe faithful over at espn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesheedera Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Quote: Factoring in minutes played, we can take a look at win score per minute to evaluate production per minute played rather than total production: Horford- .346 Childress- .309 JJ- .289 Smith- .266 Marvin- .251 Zaza- .124 Shelden- .068 D. Howard- .376 Now Marvin looks nearly as good as the Joshes and JJ, which is what I originally expected to see based on how well he's played this preseason. What really stood out to me is how outstanding Horford has played. On a per minute basis, he's nearly as productive as Dwight so far, much more productive than I could've dreamed on draft night. For those of you who've never used/heard of Win Score, it's calculated using the following formula: PTS + REB +STL +1/2BLK +1/2AST -FGA -1/2FTA -TO -1/2PF Basically, it gives credit for every positive contribution a player makes for a team, made shots, rebounds, etc., and penalizes players for negative contributions, such as missed shots and turn overs. His blog is overall pretty interesting. His writeup about the Hawks is worth a read, and his article about the legend of Kobe Bryant upset some of the Kobe faithful over at espn.com Thanks for the info and analysis. What's considered "excellent, good, average, poor, etc." with these ratings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Quote: Thanks for the info and analysis. What's considered "excellent, good, average, poor, etc." with these ratings? I went through this site pretty well last night and remember seeing somewhere that a score of .200 or above is a productive score; and players that score under that need to either improve or stay on the bench... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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