TexasPete

Quote: ...for being upset and/or passionate about this team is beyond annoying. We get it - you're even-keeled. Drop your typical, mocking "LOL" if God forbid we sulk for a minute about blowing a game that could've been won with some competent coaching. As far as I'm concerned, though, we have every right to experience and articulate the full range of emotions. The fact that we show any emotion with this moribund franchise is something that should be embraced, not mocked. Step off your high horse. It's only been 9 years since we whiffed the playoffs and this year looks like its toast again. Yeah, the fans here are really overreacting. Being the butt of national jokes for years, owners in court, blown picks, horrible head coach, etc. LOL, yeah were all spoiled brats.

Look at the teams that were rebuilding with us from a couple years ago... Portland, Hornets, Magic, Raptors, Lakers, Wizards, Celtics. These are just some. Now, where are the Hawks with all the draft picks? We pass on CP3 and Roy and Iggy/Deng. We still don't have a franchise PG all this time later. We STILL lack the defensive presence in the paint. We STILL have a lousy bench. We STILL have no solid back-up SG. The same holes exist as two years ago. While the above teams have more than plugged holes BK sits on his fat ass...while SEKOU gives everybody a free pass. Mike Woodson is STILL an ambarrassment as a head coach.

But, Teke, Mike Gearon says we are doing good! You don't believe Gearon? Hey, were in the playoff race and the SPIRIT is excited! They haven't been in the hunt before so they are savoring every moment. Bruce thinks Woody will deliver a title. Bruce always says "I look forward to proving everybody wrong". That is his favorite slogan. See, Bruce thinks BK and Woody are on the right track and that all BK's moves will be validated soon enough. He told me so. Bruce, can we get a time limit on this whole thing? Will anybody still be alive when this "plan" works itself out? Bruce prides himself on reading these sites cause he's fan friendly. Brucie is a man of the people, a real regular guy. He's like Robin Hood passing out those nosebleed seats to the poor masses. Bruce, can I get a pair of binoculars with those free seats? ZaZa looks like an ant from those Brucie seats. And remember, Bruce plays pick-up ball with a bunch of old men so he has to know what he's doing, right? A bunch of old 50ish men, I'll bet thats some serious hoop. So, give Brucie some slack, he plays BALL. And he thinks were on the right track, so he must be right.

Quote: 14-0 so far i wonder if atlanta spirit even cares what the fans think? Mike Gearon thinks Woodson is Phil Jackson. No, they don't care what the fans think. That's why their building is a morgue. But, the ASG's children all can get autographs whenever they want. Daddy's got a new toy. Gearon and Levenson sucks worse than Woodson.

Don't expect any trades out of BK. That would require getting off the couch in his office and actually doing something. BK, a draft legend in his own mind (And the ASG's), builds only through the draft. No trades for the Hawks.

Quote: My fault D for expecting more out of you. Expect more of D-Bag on Marvin? Most people here are man enough to admit when their wrong. It's part of having an opinion. D-Bag is not man enough for objective Marvin discussion. He doesn't have the tamales for even a slight nod.

D-Bag drools over bad teams scrubs but can't find it in his weak nature to praise a kid who carries his "favorite" team to a must win. D-Bag's comes from a different place.

Marvin has averaged 20.2 ppg the last 6 games, not the end of the world unless your name is D-Bag.

Acie may get better with time but he will never be a franchise PG. I was worried about him before the draft and he's worse than I thought. We still have PG issues and Acie may be a good NBA player at some point but you won't win a title with him at PG. He just doesn't have that type of horsepower. Hey, give BK credit though. After blowing 4 lottery picks he got Horford. I've always said that if you gave BK enough lottery picks he would get one right one day. OK, now lets fire his incompetant ass.

WTF is this???

I honestly think he's finished with Woody. He doesn't see any light at the end of the tunnel and it's taking a toll. I don't understand how the owners fail to see Woodson's negative impact.

Quote: I don't see any gapping holes at PG and post. AJ is the PG this team need... he has size, can play defense, is unselfish and can hit outside shots. Horford has post moves, but it seems we need a post player because they don't go to him often in the post. When Horford attempt 10 or more shots in a game, the Hawks are 6 - 3. Naw, your right. We have a great PG situation, one of the best in the league. Most teams would kill for an Anthony Johnson, Law, 4th Quarter T-Lue rotation. And the post situation? We start a PF at 5 and have Shelden, ZaZa, and Blo Wright. Forgive my ignorance. Were doing well there also.

NorthC is what is known on this site as a total Woody apologist. He joins Bruce Levenson and Mike "I'm freaking clueless" Gearon in a dwindling few that think Woodson is even a reasonable coach. I have been watching Hawks bball since age 11 in 1972. Woodson is the WORST coach we have ever had in that span and we have had some real dogs. Woodson makes Bob Weiss look like Red Auerbach. In all my time watching and studying offenses, I have never seen one as fundamentally inept as woodson's. If we make the playoffs in the lousy East and he gets an extension we are never going anywhere.

I would trade O'Bryant for Shelden certainly. I'd trade Shelden for a bag of Lays potato chips. O'Bryant has almost no work ethic and is not going to help anybody right now. But neither is Shelden. That deal is truly a swap of scrubs.

I would also be fine with a Diop assuming he resumes playing defense like he was the last two years. Avery Johnson has been sitting down Diop for periods because of his lack of defense, a new development. My point is that we need a big defensive presence in the middle to eat up minutes. Horford can play some minutes there but I don't like him there full time. It's not in his best interest or the teams. I understand that bigs who play defense are in short supply. Thats why Dalembert got his ridiculous deal to begin with. I would acquire him hoping that a change of scenery helps his game...see Tyson Chandler, another big overpaid center that the Bulls would love to have back right now instead of Bust Ben Wallace.

I agree that post scoring isn't that big a deal. I am concerned more about protecting the paint with a bigger and more threatening presence. I would have dealt for Haywood for example. I just believe we need a better PG, better shooting, and better interior defense. Horford just doesn't seem like a full blown 5 to me. He can play spot time there...just not full time.

Problem is that good post scorers are hard to find. They are a valuable commodity that teams don't like to trade. We could get a Gasol or an Eddy Curry who both score in the low post. But, neither is the total package although Gasol is light years better than Curry. Here's the dilemma: Who do you target for low post scoring? Or, the better question is who is available?

Dally's numbers are as follows: 11.5 ppg 10.1 rpg 2.5 blks Those are not too bad. Next to Horf and Smoove we would have a defensive oriented, shot blocking front line second to none.

I have heard that Kamen is untouchable right now. I would love him in a Hawks uniform but I just don't think so. I looked at Dally not because I loved him. I looked at who we might ne able to actually acquire. He has made a lot of improvement but he isn't without flaws. However, he would enable us to start putting guys in their proper places.

I was for Conley and he is now getting minutes and appears to have a great future. I do much prefer Horford over Yi because Yi would have been our 3rd SF. He is a poor defender and just shoots jumpshots. We need a trade and we needed one last week. This team is flawed beyond hope. It is like a jigsaw puzzle missing key pieces. This team will not contend for jack squat in it's current form. The fact that we play in the East makes us a playoff contender...BFD. Incompetent boobs like Gearon and Levenson are all giddy with 17-20 and heading out West as long as they feel like the 8th spot is in reach. Woopty Damn Do.

I think the players will be unaffected by the Mullin deal. They don't have much contact with him anyway. I honestly don't think this move means anything other than the ASG want BK reporting to them. Here's why...If BK had been blown out it would have been huge. But Mullin was a bit player anyway. He had zero role in building the team so he wasn't being fired for the Hawks court performance. It's not like the ASG is holding anyone responsible for what happens on the court. This was a clerical and procedural change. As fans we all want some accountability at long last. I'm afraid that we are still waiting. Gearon always seems to think things are rosy anyway. He's basically delusional.

Gearon is a major league idiot who defends every bad move they have ever made. The team could lose 15 straight games and Gearon would be talking about how great they look in their uniforms. Gearon constantly pats himself on the back for being a basic failure. This group is hideous. And he's in charge.

And there is no way around it. Horford is a PF plain and simple. Yes, he can slide over some and help us 10 minutes a night at 5, but he is a PF. Smoove is obviously staying at PF and cannot guard quicker SF's anyway. So, we have 2 damn good PF's. We also have two solid SF's in Marvin and Chill. Not great, but certainly NBA quality SF's. We still have no answer in the post. None. Z can't defend and has become essentially a disaster. Shelden? Now there's a useless player. He is too small for the 5 and cannot effectively play the PF spot. This was the guy we passed Roy for? This was the guy who we basically shut down our draft for with the big promise? The PG spot is a complete mess just like the 5. We have a rookie who isn't ready most nights who looks like he needs a year or two before he becomes a player. Jarrett Jack for the 11 would be looking damn good right now. AJ is slow and a stop gap. Lue just dribbles the shot clock away and kills ball movement...but Woody loves him. Our PG spot is no better than last year and I have reasonable doubts that Law will ever be a solid NBA starter at PG. Maybe he'll be fine, maybe he will be a solid back-up. But the juries out. So, we did get another great piece in the draft in Horford. But, he plays another redundant position and didn't truly plug a hole. Just like all BK picks, he's is a square peg in a round hole. That's why we need a trade in the worst way. We have pieces but they don't fit. I wonder if we could trade something like this: Marvin/Lue or AJ/Lo/filler for Dalembert and the 76ers 1st I've heard they want to dump Dally and we need a center. There are no great centers out there and Dally can play the post. We would then trade Marvin who has clear upside for their #1 pick...which we could turn into a real PG. Would they do it? No idea. But I've heard they want to start over and getting rid of Dally's deal would be big. Dally Horford Smoove JJ Law/Rose or Eric Gordon That front court would be rebounding and shot blocking machine. I do know we cannot win as currently constructed. We are too flawed.

Somebody said 8? Wow, must me on some great crack. I guess 4 but I could see 5...or even 3. BK has clearly failed again to assemble a true "team" so I fear that anytime we go West we pay dearly. Does anyone think either Gearon or Levenson realize that we still have major gaping holes at PG and Post? Or, are they smoking BK's pipe about how we are ready for prime time? My guess is they are clueless...their track record isn't too good. As the season wears on and guys like Lue keep playing over Law, and Horford mans the 5, we will struggle on the road.

Bernie was clueless and this is a good move. They bring in a guy from the UK who has no clue about either basketball or hockey...a soccer guy. Bernie has no instinct for the game of basketball. The Hawks need a lot more than this (BK and Woody gone) but this is a start. Hopefully, they will bring in a true basketball guy. Bernie was a nice guy who was in above his head.